Comments on: Cut/Trade/Release Patrick Surtain http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/05/09/cuttraderelease-patrick-surtain/ A Kansas City Chiefs blog Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:00:41 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: seanbcool http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/05/09/cuttraderelease-patrick-surtain/comment-page-1/#comment-14672 seanbcool Tue, 13 May 2008 01:46:57 +0000 http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/05/09/cuttraderelease-patrick-surtain/#comment-14672 Dude, don't get me wrong. Andre Johnson is a really good receiver. I'd just about squirt my shorts if the Chiefs were to sign him (it would immediately solve 2 glaring problems: #2 receiver and return man. And FYI, I think Andre is a Top 5 kick returner). But I don't think the fact that Brackenridge stripped Johnson is any reason to go all gaga over him. Benny Sapp picked off Brett Favre last season, and I felt like he played hard. Does that mean we should have kept him? Again, don't get me wrong. Tyron is a surprising and interesting young talent at CB. I just have concerns about him keeping his head in the game. I don't want a guy who will play hard for the first 2 downs and then fuck up at a crucial moment (remember Eric Warfield?). However, if he can overcome that one issue, I can easily see a future cornerback tandem of Flowers and Brackenridge. But on topic, don't count out Surtain yet. I don't feel like there is enough veteran presence on the team anymore, and Surtain can certainly stick around as a mentor for our young DBs for a couple of years, similar to Greg Wesley if he stays. Dude, don’t get me wrong. Andre Johnson is a really good receiver. I’d just about squirt my shorts if the Chiefs were to sign him (it would immediately solve 2 glaring problems: #2 receiver and return man. And FYI, I think Andre is a Top 5 kick returner).

But I don’t think the fact that Brackenridge stripped Johnson is any reason to go all gaga over him. Benny Sapp picked off Brett Favre last season, and I felt like he played hard. Does that mean we should have kept him?

Again, don’t get me wrong. Tyron is a surprising and interesting young talent at CB. I just have concerns about him keeping his head in the game. I don’t want a guy who will play hard for the first 2 downs and then fuck up at a crucial moment (remember Eric Warfield?). However, if he can overcome that one issue, I can easily see a future cornerback tandem of Flowers and Brackenridge.

But on topic, don’t count out Surtain yet. I don’t feel like there is enough veteran presence on the team anymore, and Surtain can certainly stick around as a mentor for our young DBs for a couple of years, similar to Greg Wesley if he stays.

]]> By: xxxlp http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/05/09/cuttraderelease-patrick-surtain/comment-page-1/#comment-14671 xxxlp Mon, 12 May 2008 23:47:34 +0000 http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/05/09/cuttraderelease-patrick-surtain/#comment-14671 You're really going to put players like Kevin Curtis alongside Andre Johnson? And to be fair, look at all the teams' offenses, and look at what Andre Johnson has had to work with. His quarterback being completely mauled (Texans are one of, if not THE worst in the nfl in sacks allowed since they've entered the league), their QB situation has been in flux, with Carr never living up to the hype (who can blame him behind that line?) the coaching carousel is ridiculous, their running game, despite lasts years 'ok' performance, has been lackluster at best, and he's had really no other TE's or WR's to help him, until Owen Daniels came along. I agree with some of your top 10, and most of the top 20, but even guys like Fitzgerald and Bolden feed off eachother, along with Johnson (lost this year in free agency) and a TE by the name of Leonard Pope. Not to mention Donte Stallworth, and who he played alongside.. They undoubtedly get easier matchups than Andre Johnson on any given play, yet the man still performs, and performs well. As a number 1 receiver, he's near the top of the league, age limit or not. Check his stats; they speak for themselves. You’re really going to put players like Kevin Curtis alongside Andre Johnson? And to be fair, look at all the teams’ offenses, and look at what Andre Johnson has had to work with. His quarterback being completely mauled (Texans are one of, if not THE worst in the nfl in sacks allowed since they’ve entered the league), their QB situation has been in flux, with Carr never living up to the hype (who can blame him behind that line?) the coaching carousel is ridiculous, their running game, despite lasts years ‘ok’ performance, has been lackluster at best, and he’s had really no other TE’s or WR’s to help him, until Owen Daniels came along. I agree with some of your top 10, and most of the top 20, but even guys like Fitzgerald and Bolden feed off eachother, along with Johnson (lost this year in free agency) and a TE by the name of Leonard Pope. Not to mention Donte Stallworth, and who he played alongside.. They undoubtedly get easier matchups than Andre Johnson on any given play, yet the man still performs, and performs well. As a number 1 receiver, he’s near the top of the league, age limit or not. Check his stats; they speak for themselves.

]]> By: jason http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/05/09/cuttraderelease-patrick-surtain/comment-page-1/#comment-14670 jason Mon, 12 May 2008 23:29:22 +0000 http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/05/09/cuttraderelease-patrick-surtain/#comment-14670 one thing you are forgetting about the whole palmer/smith comparisons is the fact that smith had the BIG question marks BEFORE he was drafted(small hands,system guy...etc.) which palmer did not have, but i agree that surtain would help out this year one thing you are forgetting about the whole palmer/smith comparisons is the fact that smith had the BIG question marks BEFORE he was drafted(small hands,system guy…etc.) which palmer did not have, but i agree that surtain would help out this year

]]> By: Cispdaddy http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/05/09/cuttraderelease-patrick-surtain/comment-page-1/#comment-14669 Cispdaddy Mon, 12 May 2008 23:18:09 +0000 http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/05/09/cuttraderelease-patrick-surtain/#comment-14669 If we cut Surtain we are basically throwing a rookie or 2nd year player out there in his spot. Personally, I think a player develops better when he has time to learn from a veteran who has been around. While I recognize that QB and CB are vastly different positions I'd like to compare Carson Palmer (Bengals) to Alex Smith (49ers). Both of these players were top picks and Smith unlike Palmer was thrown directly into the fire. Smith struggled and he continues to struggle while he undergoes his growing pains. Palmer got rid of his growing pains in practice and in the film room his first year when he sat behind John Kitna. I recognize there are many exceptions to the rule like Peyton Manning but I still think keeping Surtain if not for the sole purpose of mentoring our young CB's is the right move. It allows the Chiefs to develop their young CB's (Flowers, Brackenridge, Carr, Morgan, and Barksdale) in practice and on the playing field without putting an enormous amount of pressure on them. If we cut Surtain we are basically throwing a rookie or 2nd year player out there in his spot. Personally, I think a player develops better when he has time to learn from a veteran who has been around. While I recognize that QB and CB are vastly different positions I’d like to compare Carson Palmer (Bengals) to Alex Smith (49ers). Both of these players were top picks and Smith unlike Palmer was thrown directly into the fire. Smith struggled and he continues to struggle while he undergoes his growing pains. Palmer got rid of his growing pains in practice and in the film room his first year when he sat behind John Kitna. I recognize there are many exceptions to the rule like Peyton Manning but I still think keeping Surtain if not for the sole purpose of mentoring our young CB’s is the right move. It allows the Chiefs to develop their young CB’s (Flowers, Brackenridge, Carr, Morgan, and Barksdale) in practice and on the playing field without putting an enormous amount of pressure on them.

]]> By: Porter Park http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/05/09/cuttraderelease-patrick-surtain/comment-page-1/#comment-14668 Porter Park Mon, 12 May 2008 16:34:39 +0000 http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/05/09/cuttraderelease-patrick-surtain/#comment-14668 Intresting topic, after looking at all the responses I dont think any of us really know which way would be a godo way to go with Surtain without us knowing what goes on a practice/behind closed doors. I never played above middle school because Soccer season was at the same time and I went to Shawnee Heights where our soccer team could have beaten our football team at football. I dont know how much development is based on coaching as opposed to veteran leadership and adivse, good topic though, some intresting points. Intresting topic, after looking at all the responses I dont think any of us really know which way would be a godo way to go with Surtain without us knowing what goes on a practice/behind closed doors. I never played above middle school because Soccer season was at the same time and I went to Shawnee Heights where our soccer team could have beaten our football team at football. I dont know how much development is based on coaching as opposed to veteran leadership and adivse, good topic though, some intresting points.

]]> By: seanbcool http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/05/09/cuttraderelease-patrick-surtain/comment-page-1/#comment-14667 seanbcool Mon, 12 May 2008 04:18:57 +0000 http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/05/09/cuttraderelease-patrick-surtain/#comment-14667 @ xxxlp: Since you won't let it go, here is a list (in no particular order) of 19 receivers under the age of 30 (which is a ridiculous stipulation, seeing as it excludes 30 year olds like Chad Johnson and T.J. Houshmanzadeh) who I believe are AS GOOD or BETTER than Andre Johnson. 1. Drew Bennett 2. Bernard Berrian 3. Anquan Boldin 4. Dwayne Bowe 5. Marques Colston 6. Kevin Kurtis 7. Braylon Edwards 8. Larry Fitzgerald 9. Joey Galloway 10. Santonio Holmes 11. Greg Jennings 12. Donte Stallworth 13. Steve Smith 14. Reggie Wayne 15. Javon Walker 16. Wes Welker 17. Roddy White 18. Roy Williams 19. Brandon Marshall So if it will make you happy I will include Andre Johnson in my Top 20 WRs between 20-29 years old. And I suppose Tyron Brackenridge WOULD be an invaluable situational player. Herm can send him in when we need to get the ball back and the opposing team has a pretty good WR under 30. @ xxxlp:

Since you won’t let it go, here is a list (in no particular order) of 19 receivers under the age of 30 (which is a ridiculous stipulation, seeing as it excludes 30 year olds like Chad Johnson and T.J. Houshmanzadeh) who I believe are AS GOOD or BETTER than Andre Johnson.

1. Drew Bennett
2. Bernard Berrian
3. Anquan Boldin
4. Dwayne Bowe
5. Marques Colston
6. Kevin Kurtis
7. Braylon Edwards
8. Larry Fitzgerald
9. Joey Galloway
10. Santonio Holmes
11. Greg Jennings
12. Donte Stallworth
13. Steve Smith
14. Reggie Wayne
15. Javon Walker
16. Wes Welker
17. Roddy White
18. Roy Williams
19. Brandon Marshall

So if it will make you happy I will include Andre Johnson in my Top 20 WRs between 20-29 years old.

And I suppose Tyron Brackenridge WOULD be an invaluable situational player. Herm can send him in when we need to get the ball back and the opposing team has a pretty good WR under 30.

]]> By: Bill http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/05/09/cuttraderelease-patrick-surtain/comment-page-1/#comment-14666 Bill Sun, 11 May 2008 23:30:29 +0000 http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/05/09/cuttraderelease-patrick-surtain/#comment-14666 Anybody know when training camp starts? Anybody know when training camp starts?

]]> By: xxxlp http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/05/09/cuttraderelease-patrick-surtain/comment-page-1/#comment-14665 xxxlp Sun, 11 May 2008 22:46:31 +0000 http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/05/09/cuttraderelease-patrick-surtain/#comment-14665 Heard something about a dislocated jaw, but who knows for sure. And if Andre Johnson isn't a top 10 receiver in the 20-29 age group (which doesn't include 30+ year old guys like TO, Randy Moss, Marvin Harrison) then I dunno who would be in his place. Yeah T-Brack had some blunders, but mostly on special teams, when he was on the field as an extra corner, on 3rd downs, I don't remember seeing him being blatently bad. Doesn't mean it didn't happen, or that I saw it if it did, but I have hope for him. He did have a torn bicep and was still playing, I give him his props for that alone. He's a tough kid, and I think if nothing else, he'll be our nickel whenever Pat is cut/traded/goes down with injury. Heard something about a dislocated jaw, but who knows for sure. And if Andre Johnson isn’t a top 10 receiver in the 20-29 age group (which doesn’t include 30+ year old guys like TO, Randy Moss, Marvin Harrison) then I dunno who would be in his place. Yeah T-Brack had some blunders, but mostly on special teams, when he was on the field as an extra corner, on 3rd downs, I don’t remember seeing him being blatently bad. Doesn’t mean it didn’t happen, or that I saw it if it did, but I have hope for him. He did have a torn bicep and was still playing, I give him his props for that alone. He’s a tough kid, and I think if nothing else, he’ll be our nickel whenever Pat is cut/traded/goes down with injury.

]]> By: chuckp http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/05/09/cuttraderelease-patrick-surtain/comment-page-1/#comment-14664 chuckp Sun, 11 May 2008 15:27:50 +0000 http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/05/09/cuttraderelease-patrick-surtain/#comment-14664 Who knows if Tyron Brackenridge will even be able to play this year. I read that he was in a bar fight and had to have surgery. Don't know any details as of yet. Who knows if Tyron Brackenridge will even be able to play this year. I read that he was in a bar fight and had to have surgery. Don’t know any details as of yet.

]]> By: seanbcool http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/05/09/cuttraderelease-patrick-surtain/comment-page-1/#comment-14663 seanbcool Sun, 11 May 2008 00:51:58 +0000 http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/05/09/cuttraderelease-patrick-surtain/#comment-14663 Well hell, I can't remember the exact situations nor find them for the life of me. I just specifically remember being very frustrated at him during a couple of special teams plays. Like I said though, maybe I'm being too hard on him. He DOES appear to be gifted and talented, or has at least shown flashes. But still, let's not be too quick to anoint him over a couple of big plays. Once he proves that he is a consistently valuable talent, I'll be satisfied with our CB situation. Especially is Brandon Flowers is as good as I hope. And while I wouldn't quite consider Andre Johnson a top 10 receiver, he does average less than 1 fumble a year. So kudos to Tyron for that. Well hell, I can’t remember the exact situations nor find them for the life of me. I just specifically remember being very frustrated at him during a couple of special teams plays.

Like I said though, maybe I’m being too hard on him. He DOES appear to be gifted and talented, or has at least shown flashes.

But still, let’s not be too quick to anoint him over a couple of big plays. Once he proves that he is a consistently valuable talent, I’ll be satisfied with our CB situation. Especially is Brandon Flowers is as good as I hope.

And while I wouldn’t quite consider Andre Johnson a top 10 receiver, he does average less than 1 fumble a year. So kudos to Tyron for that.

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