Comments on: Cut/Trade/Release Patrick Surtain http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/05/09/cuttraderelease-patrick-surtain/ A Kansas City Chiefs Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and more Sun, 12 Feb 2012 04:37:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: seanbcool http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/05/09/cuttraderelease-patrick-surtain/#comment-14672 seanbcool Tue, 13 May 2008 01:46:57 +0000 http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/05/09/cuttraderelease-patrick-surtain/#comment-14672 Dude, don't get me wrong. Andre Johnson is a really good receiver. I'd just about squirt my shorts if the Chiefs were to sign him (it would immediately solve 2 glaring problems: #2 receiver and return man. And FYI, I think Andre is a Top 5 kick returner). But I don't think the fact that Brackenridge stripped Johnson is any reason to go all gaga over him. Benny Sapp picked off Brett Favre last season, and I felt like he played hard. Does that mean we should have kept him? Again, don't get me wrong. Tyron is a surprising and interesting young talent at CB. I just have concerns about him keeping his head in the game. I don't want a guy who will play hard for the first 2 downs and then fuck up at a crucial moment (remember Eric Warfield?). However, if he can overcome that one issue, I can easily see a future cornerback tandem of Flowers and Brackenridge. But on topic, don't count out Surtain yet. I don't feel like there is enough veteran presence on the team anymore, and Surtain can certainly stick around as a mentor for our young DBs for a couple of years, similar to Greg Wesley if he stays. Dude, don’t get me wrong. Andre Johnson is a really good receiver. I’d just about squirt my shorts if the Chiefs were to sign him (it would immediately solve 2 glaring problems: #2 receiver and return man. And FYI, I think Andre is a Top 5 kick returner).

But I don’t think the fact that Brackenridge stripped Johnson is any reason to go all gaga over him. Benny Sapp picked off Brett Favre last season, and I felt like he played hard. Does that mean we should have kept him?

Again, don’t get me wrong. Tyron is a surprising and interesting young talent at CB. I just have concerns about him keeping his head in the game. I don’t want a guy who will play hard for the first 2 downs and then fuck up at a crucial moment (remember Eric Warfield?). However, if he can overcome that one issue, I can easily see a future cornerback tandem of Flowers and Brackenridge.

But on topic, don’t count out Surtain yet. I don’t feel like there is enough veteran presence on the team anymore, and Surtain can certainly stick around as a mentor for our young DBs for a couple of years, similar to Greg Wesley if he stays.

]]> By: xxxlp http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/05/09/cuttraderelease-patrick-surtain/#comment-14671 xxxlp Mon, 12 May 2008 23:47:34 +0000 http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/05/09/cuttraderelease-patrick-surtain/#comment-14671 You're really going to put players like Kevin Curtis alongside Andre Johnson? And to be fair, look at all the teams' offenses, and look at what Andre Johnson has had to work with. His quarterback being completely mauled (Texans are one of, if not THE worst in the nfl in sacks allowed since they've entered the league), their QB situation has been in flux, with Carr never living up to the hype (who can blame him behind that line?) the coaching carousel is ridiculous, their running game, despite lasts years 'ok' performance, has been lackluster at best, and he's had really no other TE's or WR's to help him, until Owen Daniels came along. I agree with some of your top 10, and most of the top 20, but even guys like Fitzgerald and Bolden feed off eachother, along with Johnson (lost this year in free agency) and a TE by the name of Leonard Pope. Not to mention Donte Stallworth, and who he played alongside.. They undoubtedly get easier matchups than Andre Johnson on any given play, yet the man still performs, and performs well. As a number 1 receiver, he's near the top of the league, age limit or not. Check his stats; they speak for themselves. You’re really going to put players like Kevin Curtis alongside Andre Johnson? And to be fair, look at all the teams’ offenses, and look at what Andre Johnson has had to work with. His quarterback being completely mauled (Texans are one of, if not THE worst in the nfl in sacks allowed since they’ve entered the league), their QB situation has been in flux, with Carr never living up to the hype (who can blame him behind that line?) the coaching carousel is ridiculous, their running game, despite lasts years ‘ok’ performance, has been lackluster at best, and he’s had really no other TE’s or WR’s to help him, until Owen Daniels came along. I agree with some of your top 10, and most of the top 20, but even guys like Fitzgerald and Bolden feed off eachother, along with Johnson (lost this year in free agency) and a TE by the name of Leonard Pope. Not to mention Donte Stallworth, and who he played alongside.. They undoubtedly get easier matchups than Andre Johnson on any given play, yet the man still performs, and performs well. As a number 1 receiver, he’s near the top of the league, age limit or not. Check his stats; they speak for themselves.

]]> By: jason http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/05/09/cuttraderelease-patrick-surtain/#comment-14670 jason Mon, 12 May 2008 23:29:22 +0000 http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/05/09/cuttraderelease-patrick-surtain/#comment-14670 one thing you are forgetting about the whole palmer/smith comparisons is the fact that smith had the BIG question marks BEFORE he was drafted(small hands,system guy...etc.) which palmer did not have, but i agree that surtain would help out this year one thing you are forgetting about the whole palmer/smith comparisons is the fact that smith had the BIG question marks BEFORE he was drafted(small hands,system guy…etc.) which palmer did not have, but i agree that surtain would help out this year

]]> By: Cispdaddy http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/05/09/cuttraderelease-patrick-surtain/#comment-14669 Cispdaddy Mon, 12 May 2008 23:18:09 +0000 http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/05/09/cuttraderelease-patrick-surtain/#comment-14669 If we cut Surtain we are basically throwing a rookie or 2nd year player out there in his spot. Personally, I think a player develops better when he has time to learn from a veteran who has been around. While I recognize that QB and CB are vastly different positions I'd like to compare Carson Palmer (Bengals) to Alex Smith (49ers). Both of these players were top picks and Smith unlike Palmer was thrown directly into the fire. Smith struggled and he continues to struggle while he undergoes his growing pains. Palmer got rid of his growing pains in practice and in the film room his first year when he sat behind John Kitna. I recognize there are many exceptions to the rule like Peyton Manning but I still think keeping Surtain if not for the sole purpose of mentoring our young CB's is the right move. It allows the Chiefs to develop their young CB's (Flowers, Brackenridge, Carr, Morgan, and Barksdale) in practice and on the playing field without putting an enormous amount of pressure on them. If we cut Surtain we are basically throwing a rookie or 2nd year player out there in his spot. Personally, I think a player develops better when he has time to learn from a veteran who has been around. While I recognize that QB and CB are vastly different positions I’d like to compare Carson Palmer (Bengals) to Alex Smith (49ers). Both of these players were top picks and Smith unlike Palmer was thrown directly into the fire. Smith struggled and he continues to struggle while he undergoes his growing pains. Palmer got rid of his growing pains in practice and in the film room his first year when he sat behind John Kitna. I recognize there are many exceptions to the rule like Peyton Manning but I still think keeping Surtain if not for the sole purpose of mentoring our young CB’s is the right move. It allows the Chiefs to develop their young CB’s (Flowers, Brackenridge, Carr, Morgan, and Barksdale) in practice and on the playing field without putting an enormous amount of pressure on them.

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