Comments on: Open Thread: Draft Wind-Up http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/04/27/open-thread-draft-wind-up/ A Kansas City Chiefs blog Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:36:53 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: IDLDLVIDLKLD http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/04/27/open-thread-draft-wind-up/comment-page-1/#comment-14346 IDLDLVIDLKLD Mon, 02 Jun 2008 18:56:38 +0000 http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/04/27/open-thread-draft-wind-up/#comment-14346 Hi everyone. My name is Ray, from Utica, NY. I will be visiting Poland soon, and I am hoping to meet my Polish relatives. I also hope some people from here may help me in contacting my relatives before my visit. Thanks and looking forward to meeting some great people on here! Hi everyone. My name is Ray, from Utica, NY. I will be visiting Poland soon, and I am hoping to meet my Polish relatives. I also hope some people from here may help me in contacting my relatives before my visit. Thanks and looking forward to meeting some great people on here!

]]> By: larry1c http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/04/27/open-thread-draft-wind-up/comment-page-1/#comment-14345 larry1c Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:32:50 +0000 http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/04/27/open-thread-draft-wind-up/#comment-14345 I'm not buying into the conspiracy theory just yet. Based on what I've read, all these players started as freshman and have played in big games. That alone tells me some homework was done. While Day one was incrediable, day 2 presented some interesting gems....Brad Cottam takes the TE position to a new level and factor in Tony as a mentor, this is a sign that our TE position will be secure for a long while. Moreover, we have a couple of return guys that can compete. Initially, I was disappointed that we didn't get better offensive lineman but after doing some analysis, we may be getting a better bargain through FA signings. Time will tell. Either way, Brodie has some tools, and looks like he'll get plenty of practice learning to read defenses.... PS.... Anybody heard if Gunther has made any comments? After day 1, I'll bet he is still numb!!! I’m not buying into the conspiracy theory just yet. Based on what I’ve read, all these players started as freshman and have played in big games. That alone tells me some homework was done. While Day one was incrediable, day 2 presented some interesting gems….Brad Cottam takes the TE position to a new level and factor in Tony as a mentor, this is a sign that our TE position will be secure for a long while. Moreover, we have a couple of return guys that can compete.

Initially, I was disappointed that we didn’t get better offensive lineman but after doing some analysis, we may be getting a better bargain through FA signings. Time will tell. Either way, Brodie has some tools, and looks like he’ll get plenty of practice learning to read defenses….

PS…. Anybody heard if Gunther has made any comments? After day 1, I’ll bet he is still numb!!!

]]> By: John http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/04/27/open-thread-draft-wind-up/comment-page-1/#comment-14344 John Mon, 28 Apr 2008 16:50:39 +0000 http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/04/27/open-thread-draft-wind-up/#comment-14344 Jay and Simon: 1. Right there with you on MasterBlaster's conspiracy theories. When confronted with multiple possible explanations, the simplest is usually the best (the Principle of Occam's Razor). 2. Also, SO MANY of the Chiefs' picks were not only BPA in areas of need, they were tremendous value picks--Dorsey, Albert (even after trading up to 15), Flowers (could have been late R1), Charles & Morgan (both could have gone in R2)--or hidden gems (Carr and Johnston). I cannot think of a single significant reach. To be sure, not all will work out after 2-3 years. But, this is how you go about building championship calibre teams over time! 3. I think the odds are good that they will get at least 5 starters out of this group. Too many limit their definition of "starter" to the base offensive and defensivie packages. But what about the variations: 2 TEs, 3 or 4 WRs, nickel and dime CBs; and what about special teams KR, PR and coverage, where we were so bad last year? So, even if Dorsey, Albert and Flowers are the only 3 to start in the base offensive and defensive packages, I bet all that make the team will "start" in some significant special package or special team role. Adam: You summed it up best when you said that at last Carl Peterson was like Mozart rather than Solieri! Jay and Simon:

1. Right there with you on MasterBlaster’s conspiracy theories. When confronted with multiple possible explanations, the simplest is usually the best (the Principle of Occam’s Razor).

2. Also, SO MANY of the Chiefs’ picks were not only BPA in areas of need, they were tremendous value picks–Dorsey, Albert (even after trading up to 15), Flowers (could have been late R1), Charles & Morgan (both could have gone in R2)–or hidden gems (Carr and Johnston). I cannot think of a single significant reach. To be sure, not all will work out after 2-3 years. But, this is how you go about building championship calibre teams over time!

3. I think the odds are good that they will get at least 5 starters out of this group. Too many limit their definition of “starter” to the base offensive and defensivie packages. But what about the variations: 2 TEs, 3 or 4 WRs, nickel and dime CBs; and what about special teams KR, PR and coverage, where we were so bad last year? So, even if Dorsey, Albert and Flowers are the only 3 to start in the base offensive and defensive packages, I bet all that make the team will “start” in some significant special package or special team role.

Adam:

You summed it up best when you said that at last Carl Peterson was like Mozart rather than Solieri!

]]> By: g.l. http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/04/27/open-thread-draft-wind-up/comment-page-1/#comment-14343 g.l. Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:03:14 +0000 http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/04/27/open-thread-draft-wind-up/#comment-14343 Hey Jay, I hope I have to buy you that steak!!! bannyc9--I stand by my statement. Solari's play calling last year was miserable. I would expect some kind of improvement by Chan Gailley. Gailley did craft an offense for Kordell Stewart when he was in Pittsburgh which utilized Stewart's abilities to the max. However, it is my opinion that the spectacularly stupid play calling of last year was largely a result of Herm Edwards keeping Solari on a short leash. Otherwise, why didn't Herm intervene at about game two of the nine game losing streak. It was probably because he either "A." approved of Solari's run-run-pass-punt offense, or "B." didn't know enough about offense to become involved. Either is a scary thought. With improved offensive line play and two or three adequate healthy running backs in the mix, this years offense should be a vast improvement. My assumption is Gailley's play calling will be an improvement over Solari's. I don't think Gailley will have carte blanche with the offense. I think Herm will still be pressuring Gailley to use the run-run-pass-punt offense whether or not it works. Herm's lack of knowledge in terms of offensive football will definitely be a disadvantage if not a total detriment to the team during the course of the season. Hey Jay,

I hope I have to buy you that steak!!! bannyc9–I stand by my statement. Solari’s play calling last year was miserable. I would expect some kind of improvement by Chan Gailley. Gailley did craft an offense for Kordell Stewart when he was in Pittsburgh which utilized Stewart’s abilities to the max. However, it is my opinion that the spectacularly stupid play calling of last year was largely a result of Herm Edwards keeping Solari on a short leash. Otherwise, why didn’t Herm intervene at about game two of the nine game losing streak. It was probably because he either “A.” approved of Solari’s run-run-pass-punt offense, or “B.” didn’t know enough about offense to become involved. Either is a scary thought. With improved offensive line play and two or three adequate healthy running backs in the mix, this years offense should be a vast improvement. My assumption is Gailley’s play calling will be an improvement over Solari’s. I don’t think Gailley will have carte blanche with the offense. I think Herm will still be pressuring Gailley to use the run-run-pass-punt offense whether or not it works. Herm’s lack of knowledge in terms of offensive football will definitely be a disadvantage if not a total detriment to the team during the course of the season.

]]> By: Jake http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/04/27/open-thread-draft-wind-up/comment-page-1/#comment-14342 Jake Mon, 28 Apr 2008 05:36:12 +0000 http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/04/27/open-thread-draft-wind-up/#comment-14342 alright. so we got Dorsey, which is awesome, i mean AWESOME. and they're going to let him get after the quarterback which he's overly excited to have an opportunity to do considering they had him in a 2-gap technique all through college... i think he could become an even bigger beast. AWESOME. you want your jared allen 15.5 sacks, well.. maybe one player won't have 15.5 next year, but maybe Dorsey commanding double and triple teams will allow Hali, Boone, and McBride to get more sacks collectively... only time will tell, but AWESOME.... Albert didn't look excited when i saw him find out he got drafted, but then i read an interview, and it sounds like he's looking forward to pulling out and mowing down guys for LJ. if you watch tape on him... that's what he does... he mows people down for his running back. the dude played basketball and has ridiculous footwork for a big man. AWESOME. Brandon Flowers made it feel like we had 3 1st round picks this year, he lacks some of the measurables, but it sounds like he is bright as all get out, and he hits... he's perfect for our cover 2 scheme... i'm sooo glad he slid into the 2nd round. Jamaal Charles... AWESOME. Just what Larry Johnson needed, even though he might not think so... Johnson can run between the tackles, Charles on the outside, and he's got some moves. If we get him in the weight room he can be our scat back, i think we probably just play him in the return game this year, but next year i think he beats out Kolby Smith at #2 ok here are some comparisons i'm making. Glenn Dorsey and Warren Sapp. Sapp fell to the Bucs in 95'... Herm Edwards had some fun with that guy. Phat Albert and Willie Roaf/Johnathon Ogden... boy could those guys mow some people down... Brandon Flowers and Ronde Barber/Antwaan Winfield... Ronde was taken in the 2nd round and loved to put the hurt on in Herm Edwards Tampa Two system, taken and Winfield is a prototype run support corner with less than exceptional speed... but he does his job. Jamaal Charles and Warrick Dunn... kind of a stretch, but he was drafted in the beginning of the Tampa 2 era as well and he hit the edges while Pittman worked between the tackles. The only difference is Dunn COULD play as an every down or almost every down back... Charles thinks he can do that... but only time will tell... do we already have a John Lynch-like player in Page or Pollard? can we get a bruising fullback like Alstott? can we find another Jared Allen/Simeon Rice figure? these are just my thoughts... what do you think we can/will do in free agency now that the draft is out of the way? i'd like to see a move for another WR/OL... and maybe play around with the Lito Sheppard situation... we definitely need to throw another vet QB in the mix... if Brodie has nobody to look up to but Huard he's probably bound to end up a Huard... let's get Kurt Warner instead, lol i don't care... someone who can show him how to be a success rather than a non-success...i know Huard doesn't deserve the shot... i just don't really have strong feelings for him because he's just happy being a backup, and that's all he's ever been... lets get a guy who knows what it's like to start in this league and have him teach the kid how to be successful... i kinda wish we made the move for Zuttah in the 3rd rd. or Limas Sweed in the 2nd... but then again, i should just be happy with the presents i did get for christmas... errr... the draft. did we find a future Tony Gonzales retirement project in Brad Cottam? did we find a Jason Dunn replacement in Michael Merritt? alright... enough questions and thoughts for now... let me know what you think. alright. so we got Dorsey, which is awesome, i mean AWESOME. and they’re going to let him get after the quarterback which he’s overly excited to have an opportunity to do considering they had him in a 2-gap technique all through college… i think he could become an even bigger beast. AWESOME. you want your jared allen 15.5 sacks, well.. maybe one player won’t have 15.5 next year, but maybe Dorsey commanding double and triple teams will allow Hali, Boone, and McBride to get more sacks collectively… only time will tell, but AWESOME….

Albert didn’t look excited when i saw him find out he got drafted, but then i read an interview, and it sounds like he’s looking forward to pulling out and mowing down guys for LJ. if you watch tape on him… that’s what he does… he mows people down for his running back. the dude played basketball and has ridiculous footwork for a big man. AWESOME.

Brandon Flowers made it feel like we had 3 1st round picks this year, he lacks some of the measurables, but it sounds like he is bright as all get out, and he hits… he’s perfect for our cover 2 scheme… i’m sooo glad he slid into the 2nd round.

Jamaal Charles… AWESOME. Just what Larry Johnson needed, even though he might not think so… Johnson can run between the tackles, Charles on the outside, and he’s got some moves. If we get him in the weight room he can be our scat back, i think we probably just play him in the return game this year, but next year i think he beats out Kolby Smith at #2

ok here are some comparisons i’m making.

Glenn Dorsey and Warren Sapp.

Sapp fell to the Bucs in 95′… Herm Edwards had some fun with that guy.

Phat Albert and Willie Roaf/Johnathon Ogden… boy could those guys mow some people down…

Brandon Flowers and Ronde Barber/Antwaan Winfield… Ronde was taken in the 2nd round and loved to put the hurt on in Herm Edwards Tampa Two system, taken and Winfield is a prototype run support corner with less than exceptional speed… but he does his job.

Jamaal Charles and Warrick Dunn… kind of a stretch, but he was drafted in the beginning of the Tampa 2 era as well and he hit the edges while Pittman worked between the tackles. The only difference is Dunn COULD play as an every down or almost every down back… Charles thinks he can do that… but only time will tell…

do we already have a John Lynch-like player in Page or Pollard?

can we get a bruising fullback like Alstott?

can we find another Jared Allen/Simeon Rice figure?

these are just my thoughts…

what do you think we can/will do in free agency now that the draft is out of the way? i’d like to see a move for another WR/OL… and maybe play around with the Lito Sheppard situation… we definitely need to throw another vet QB in the mix… if Brodie has nobody to look up to but Huard he’s probably bound to end up a Huard… let’s get Kurt Warner instead, lol i don’t care… someone who can show him how to be a success rather than a non-success…i know Huard doesn’t deserve the shot… i just don’t really have strong feelings for him because he’s just happy being a backup, and that’s all he’s ever been… lets get a guy who knows what it’s like to start in this league and have him teach the kid how to be successful…

i kinda wish we made the move for Zuttah in the 3rd rd. or Limas Sweed in the 2nd… but then again, i should just be happy with the presents i did get for christmas… errr… the draft.

did we find a future Tony Gonzales retirement project in Brad Cottam? did we find a Jason Dunn replacement in Michael Merritt?

alright… enough questions and thoughts for now… let me know what you think.

]]> By: Scott http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/04/27/open-thread-draft-wind-up/comment-page-1/#comment-14341 Scott Mon, 28 Apr 2008 03:51:55 +0000 http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/04/27/open-thread-draft-wind-up/#comment-14341 Great draft! I'll admit, the 3rd round totally had me scratching my head at first, but I can see the logic now. We really ran away with this one. I was really hoping for Owen Schmitt...damn you Seahawks. BTW - I didn't realize JA was such an ass. F*ck him. Just goes to show that it was a good decision to get rid of him. He didn't want to play here anyway. Drunken bastard. We have a new star on our line now - the GD! Great draft! I’ll admit, the 3rd round totally had me scratching my head at first, but I can see the logic now. We really ran away with this one.

I was really hoping for Owen Schmitt…damn you Seahawks.

BTW – I didn’t realize JA was such an ass. F*ck him. Just goes to show that it was a good decision to get rid of him. He didn’t want to play here anyway. Drunken bastard.

We have a new star on our line now – the GD!

]]> By: jay http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/04/27/open-thread-draft-wind-up/comment-page-1/#comment-14340 jay Mon, 28 Apr 2008 03:44:40 +0000 http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/04/27/open-thread-draft-wind-up/#comment-14340 Oops, I meant MasterBlaster, my bad. Oops, I meant MasterBlaster, my bad.

]]> By: jay http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/04/27/open-thread-draft-wind-up/comment-page-1/#comment-14339 jay Mon, 28 Apr 2008 03:43:14 +0000 http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/04/27/open-thread-draft-wind-up/#comment-14339 Simon, all I can say is thank you. While you and I in our "Willful Ignorance," as MasterBater put it, will enjoy a legitimate rebuilding, while he and his conspiracy theorists wrap their heads in foil and hide in the closet until the mothership comes. I get so tired of that crap, why can't it just be what it is. If we traded LJ and TG away who would buy tickets, no one UM K. MB, As for my feeble, also known as realistic and reasonable argument, rather than using no facts and all speculation to make an argument. Why not accept the reality in front of your face? They "tried" to get six starters, but found it wasn't in the best interest of the team due to the lack of starters available at the picks. Its a much easier argument to make and support with facts than your complete fantasy. As for legacy, its not about what I think, Carl is a man of ego, just like G.W.B. and G.W.B. is trying in vein to salvage his B.S. legacy. However, Carl actually has an opportunity to leave the chiefs with his mark by creating a winner. Why choose the other option when his job is safe until the end of his contract anyway. Simon, all I can say is thank you. While you and I in our “Willful Ignorance,” as MasterBater put it, will enjoy a legitimate rebuilding, while he and his conspiracy theorists wrap their heads in foil and hide in the closet until the mothership comes.
I get so tired of that crap, why can’t it just be what it is. If we traded LJ and TG away who would buy tickets, no one UM K.
MB, As for my feeble, also known as realistic and reasonable argument, rather than using no facts and all speculation to make an argument. Why not accept the reality in front of your face? They “tried” to get six starters, but found it wasn’t in the best interest of the team due to the lack of starters available at the picks. Its a much easier argument to make and support with facts than your complete fantasy.
As for legacy, its not about what I think, Carl is a man of ego, just like G.W.B. and G.W.B. is trying in vein to salvage his B.S. legacy. However, Carl actually has an opportunity to leave the chiefs with his mark by creating a winner. Why choose the other option when his job is safe until the end of his contract anyway.

]]> By: DThomasReigns http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/04/27/open-thread-draft-wind-up/comment-page-1/#comment-14338 DThomasReigns Mon, 28 Apr 2008 02:27:56 +0000 http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/04/27/open-thread-draft-wind-up/#comment-14338 MasterBlaster and Simon, Jared Allen...I raged against his trade, but after that story MasterBlaster tipped, I have this to say: http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2008/4/27/462012/jared-allen-rip Sorry to link to another Chiefs blog, but that pissed me off so much I had to post something. Good catch, MasterBlaster. I feel even better about us totally PWNING the draft. This is one of the happiest times I have had in my Chiefs fandom! MasterBlaster and Simon,

Jared Allen…I raged against his trade, but after that story MasterBlaster tipped, I have this to say:

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2008/4/27/462012/jared-allen-rip

Sorry to link to another Chiefs blog, but that pissed me off so much I had to post something.

Good catch, MasterBlaster. I feel even better about us totally PWNING the draft. This is one of the happiest times I have had in my Chiefs fandom!

]]> By: Jeremy (Riverside, CA) http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/04/27/open-thread-draft-wind-up/comment-page-1/#comment-14337 Jeremy (Riverside, CA) Mon, 28 Apr 2008 01:46:04 +0000 http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/04/27/open-thread-draft-wind-up/#comment-14337 Simon: I agree I don't think that any of the guys we drafted spell the end of anyone (Maybe Greg Wesley). We now have wonderful depth at RB and Safety! We also needed to repace Kris Wilson and Jason Dunn. We did that here too. This was a great draft! Simon:

I agree I don’t think that any of the guys we drafted spell the end of anyone (Maybe Greg Wesley).

We now have wonderful depth at RB and Safety! We also needed to repace Kris Wilson and Jason Dunn. We did that here too.

This was a great draft!

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