The Draft Runs Under the Arch

CARL IS AN IDIOT PERIOD

Personally I could see 2-5 looking like this:

2. Chris Long-St. Louis
3. Matt Ryan-Atlanta
4. Glenn Dorsey-Oakland (Don't really think they need him at this point.)
5. Darren McFadden-Dallas (Jerry trades us his two 1's because he IS IN LOVE with Run DMC!)

We then get OT, DE and CB with our 3 round 1 picks! In that order.

Sorry guys. I just don't see Chris Long making it to #5. If he makes it past #2 St. Louis, I will be shocked. They need an athlete like Chris on their D-line worse than we need O-lineman! I can see us getting either Dorsey, Gholston or maybe even (God Help us!) Ryan. I am not convinced he is what we need. I have to agree with Chan, Herm and Carl and Bill that Brodie, if given the line that Trent had his last full year as a starter, will be a stud at QB. I would rather either trade down or get D-line help or maybe even CB help at #5 than to draft Ryan. Give Brodie a line and see if he can do something. If not, then I think Thigpen might step up to the plate. The issue is we need a line to protect whomever we put back there and like many have said, I don't think Tom Brady could handle playing QB on our team with the state of our line. Thoughts?

for jason: sorry I didn't respond earlier. The Peppers to Chiefs mock is at thehuddlereport.com

Here's a list of guys who've had seasons as bad as shit ball, I believe you called him, and remember, he's only in his first year as a starter.

Passer rating isn't everything by any means, but I think its a good indicator of whether a guy helps his team or hurts it, Brodie's was 69.9

Matt Hasselbeck 1st year 70.9
Peyton Manning 1st year 71.2 Rating
Brett Farve 3rd and 15th year 72.2 and 70.9 Rating
Donovan McNabb 1st year 60.1 Rating
And the most fun of all...
Eli Manning 1st year 55.4 and the Super Bowl winning season 73.9

So, if Brodie can up his passer rating a mere 4 points this season, he could be considered by many to be the next Eli Manning!!! Maybe even a Super Bowl Contender.

Obviously Manning played much better in the playoffs and near the end of the season, but thats with three full years starting under his belt. Croyle hasn't done anything yet, but all the guys who decided Manning, Manning, Hasselbeck, Farve, and McNabb were "shitballs" are probably pretty happy their teams gave them a second shot.

Adam, if Ryan is the next Eli, Payton, Brady, as you are so boldy suggesting, any team that needs a QB should be all over him, no matter the cost. Besides, Miami didn't get a discount with Jake Long over Russel. Long's deal was 30 million guaranteed over 5 years, Russel was 31 or 32 mil guaranteed over 6. Your logic doesn't add up. You are now like the Chiefs of 2002 drafting Ryan Sims. There are question marks, and teams have passed him by, but you want him because you've been able to talk yourself out of the questions. Most everyone on this site is saying no, for various reasons, but your completely sold. We've all given you reasons, the most compelling in my mind is that he will be ruined like David Carr if we don't address the O-line first. He may be worth a high pick to a team like Atlanta who desperately needs a new face, or Baltimore who is a decent team with nothing at QB, but for the Chiefs with so many holes, he is a luxury pick, and with all our holes we don't get luxury picks. We have a QB who the chiefs (you know, the guys who have actually been coaching him) believe can do the job. So give him a year and worse case scenario, we get the best QB in next years draft.

But if Im Herm, I'd hold off on ther potential trade up til I see what St.Louis does at 2. If they grab Long then we should pick up the phone and hit up ATL for the 3 spot. If they take Dorsey, then we sit at 5 and have a few options.

Macdawg, you got a point there. . . and the ONLY reason why I'd wanna move up to 3rd is cause I DONT want us to simply SETTLE on "whichever guy is left." I want to draft either Glenn Dorsey or Chris Long, damnit!! We just let go of 1 of the best DEs in the league. We HAVE to get 1 of the best D linemen in the draft, and Im NOT refering to Gholston or Ellis.

I'd like Chris Long, Vern G, or G Dorsey at #5, at #17 tackle Williams, Otah, or Clady.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d807eea7e

I agree with this nfl.com video saying you don't want to get too young too quick either, be good to bundle 2 7 rounders for a 5th rounder, and or 2 5th's and a 6th and go up to 3rd.

With 6 picks between rounds 5-7 I am really, really starting to wonder how many of those guys we will end up cutting!

Adam - It looks like you are getting some heartburn.

Don't worry - I think we all are stressing out on if they are going to draft who we want.

Please o please just don't reach Chiefs.

Jay,

You are just dead wrong on QB. It all depends on needs, but it also depends on money. Trust me, the Dolphins who just restructured management did not want to pay Ryan JaMarcus Russell money. Money is becoming a major issue. It's why Quinn, Rogers, Leinart, etc...have all slipped.

He threw so many picks because he played in a ridiculously one-dimensional offense and threw a gillion times, with his coach emphasizing that he take chance. I'm not worried about INTs being a problem. They were more out of trying to make big plays happen than poor accuracy or poor reads.

What's one more year? While Brodie is sucking Mat t Ryan could learn the system and get to know his receivers, not to mention start playing some time after Week 10. It would give our rebuilding project a huge shot in the arm. We have the picks to use one of those first three on a QB. Matt Ryan is better than the other guys, at the most important position in the NFL, so why not go with him. We have the picks to do this and DE and OT will be there for our next two picks. Please believe me on this...I'm the same guy that preached Dwayne Bowe if Justin Harrell wasn't there a year ago. I have a good gut :)

Roc,

I stopped reading at "far more pressing needs than QB" (I'll go back and read the rest). QB is always the most pressing position in the NFL, especially when you have a shitball QB like Brodie Croyle.

I mean, how can a knowledgeable NFL fan not think QB is the most crucial position? I'm seeing this more and more and it's just a head scratcher. You go nowhere in today's pass-happy NFL without a great QB. The past three Super Bowl QBs have been first rounders, folks.

Roc, you may be right, but dream scenarios are just that.

Roc27,
I like Jordy Nelson, but we shouldn't have a pick near his value. I think he's a late second and we need speed. I haven't seen a lot of talk about receivers, but I spent all of last season just waiting for Kennison to get back. Cherilus and Kelly may be overrated, but does that mean they are not good or that they are not "that" much better than the next guy? In any case, if we can hold up at CB with just one projected starter, we could trade with New Orleans. It could look like this:

1)# 10 Brandon Albert OT
1)# 17 Derrick Harvey DE
2)# 35 Manningham WR
2)# 40 Joe Flacco QB
3)# 66 Carl Nicks OT
3)# 73 Chevis Jackson CB
3)# 82 Kendall Langford DE
4)# 105 Steve Slaton RB/KR
5)# 136 Kory Lichtensteiger OC
5)# 140 Letroy Guion DT
6)# 170 Terrence Wheatley CB
6)# 182 Chad Rhinehart OT/OG
7)# 210 Marcus Monk WR
7)# 239 Darrel Strong TE

As for Matt Ryan, the Chiefs shouldn't take him. Not because he isn't good, he might be. But, for a ball control offense, the last thing you want is the guy who threw more interceptions this year than any div I qb other than Vizza of North Texas. If he was the sure fire QB you say he is, he wouldn't fall to number 5 with Miami and Atlanta sitting on the board. If he falls to us, that means both of them feel that the guys that will be available around their second pick are just as likely to be as good as Ryan. The only reason he tops the list is because this years class sucks, in previous draft classes he wouldn't be a top 20 pick, maybe not even a first rounder. But every draft has to have its glamour QB, and Ryan was picked to be this years, because there isn't really one there. No to Matt Ryan.

Two talking heads on Stl sports radio this morning were saying that they were very confident the Rams have Dorsey at the top of their list, with Chris Long a close 2nd and Vernon Gholston a distant third. The Rams would be happy with any of the three, but they seem to have put Dorsey on the top of the list and are likely listening to offers for a trade. These guys have been around for a long time, and generally when they claim sources have hinted at such things, they tend to be correct. So we likely don't end up with Dorsey.

Jay, I WOULD take Otah, but Im not sure if he'd be there. But I DO agree... He IS the best run blocking Tackle in the draft. No doubt.

And not to push it, but... Ryan DID throw a shit load of interceptions.

Good draft Roc, I'd change 3 picks

1)# 5 Chris Long DE
1)# 17 Jeff Otah OT (best run blocker for a running team)
2)# 35 Sam Baker OT
3)# 66 Josh Johnson QB (A project QB that doesn't automatically screw BC and could play in special situations)
3)# 73 Chevis Jackson CB
3)# 82 Will Franklin WR (Jordy will be gone, but maybe not the helicopter)
4)# 105 John Carlson TE
5)# 136 Chilo Rachal OG (ONLY CAUSE I MIGHT GET HOOKED UP IF WE DRAFT HIM… I GREW UP WITH CHILO!)
5)# 140 Owen Schmitt FB

Adam, I can ONLY give you my opinion and feelings on WHY we shouldnt take Ryan. Now, I KNOW you fell in love with the guy... And I'm NOT saying that Matt Ryan sucks so we shouldnt pick him... I AM though saying that if Chris Long, Glenn Dorsey, or Gholston IS there, we take him. Why? We have far more pressing needs than a QB. ESPECIALLY with the recent vacant DE spot (that has C.Long's name on it). Chris Long is IN MY OPINION the perfect replacement for Jared Allen. Glenn Dorsey could EASILY make Tamba and Turk a better player and bigger threat. He'll be doubled teamed practically every down. And the same can be said for Ellis. Gholston MAY NOT fit our system, but its not like tyring to fit a circular shape in a square hole. It isnt. He is a DE... Now, Brodie DIDNT get a chance. Say what you will about the kid, but he didnt. Just the same way that LJ DIDNT GET THE CHANCE. Why? Cause we had the worst O Line. And you said it here 1st, we're going to be 5-11... So really, if Brodie DOES suck this year with at least a DECENT O Line, then why cant we draft a QB NEXT year? I mean whats 1 more year if (according to you) we'll be just as bad this year as we were last?

I think Gholston is an option for the rams at #2. Personally, Gholston doesn't seem like a player the Chiefs would go for. He looks better in a combine than on the football field. At this point, I would be happy with either Dorsey or Chris Long at #5 or trading down with NE or Balt and picking up an OT there. If Ryan falls to us, I would love to use him as trade bait to drop down (not past Denver and Carolina, they are looking for OT's) and get more high round picks.

Again, I want to hear some substantive arguments on why we should pass on Matt Ryan. Not just that his hair is a little too red or that he isn't as big of a pimp as Matt Leinart. I want reasons, folks. I've listed a laundry list why we should take him, so it's only fair.

havent seen jordy in the 1st anywhere but have seen him in the 2nd REALLY like that guy also. would LOVE to get him

And I WOULDNT trade down from 5 if Chris Long is there... And I would consider Gholston, and CONSIDER taking DMC, all before I trade down... BUT FOR SURE NO ON Matt Ryan!

Thanks JPSPOOTY... Im really hoping that it turns out a little like that. I mean all those guys are quality players and all but (according to Crane) Jordy Nelson have a great chance at being there when we pick. And if Jordy IS gone, we DEFINITELY need to draft a WR.

Jordy wont go all the way to 83...I've seen him projected in 1st round...I could live with it, but again would rather trade down from 5.

Of all the mocks that I have seen so far, I like ROC27`s the most.

Gholston had 1 sack on jlong but he still looks the part

1. No way we should take Ryan. Brohm had a better year and better career stats. Take Brohm in the 2nd round (if he is there..shouldn't be but who knows). Croyle needs competition.

2. Chris Long or Gholston will be available at #5. Take Long first but we shouldn't be disappointed with Gholston if Long isn't there. He had 3 sacks against Jake Long last year.

3. Take the best OT left at #17 (Williams and Clady likely gone by then...fine with Otah...could also trade down and get Baker later in 1st round)

sorry he'd give us

im big on owen schmitt think he'dive us what we've lacked since t.rich left

F*ck Pacman and f*ck Dallas... (Sorry Im in a heated argument with my best friend... Dallas fan).

PacMan to Dallas - PacmantoCowboys

Thanks Jason... We have to keep in mind that we're gonna have to have more depth on our O Line, considering that we need to fill in 3 spots with new starters. So I see us putting 3 of our 4 picks in... unless Herb Taylor, Wade Smith, or Anthony Alibi step up in training camp.

hey roc that looks good too

Thats what MY dream Draft would look like.

1)# 5 Chris Long DE
1)# 17 Chris Williams OT
2)# 35 Sam Baker OT
3)# 66 Carl Nicks OT
3)# 73 Chevis Jackson CB
3)# 82 Jordy Nelson WR
4)# 105 John Carlson TE
5)# 136 Chilo Rachal OG (ONLY CAUSE I MIGHT GET HOOKED UP IF WE DRAFT HIM... I GREW UP WITH CHILO!)
5)# 140 Owen Schmitt FB

cant find that mock, need some help

Julius Peppers would be an amazing addition. Then I wouldnt be too worried about our need at DE... (Thanks a lot Jared)... But I highly doubt that happens. Hell, if it DOES, then I'm going to shit a brick...

Anyway, RedEye I see what you mean, but I like Jeremy disagree on the Malcom Kelly pick. IF we DO trade our #5 for BOTH of Dallas' 1st rounders, I'd say it SHOULD go a bit like this...

1)# 17 Jeff Otah OT
1)# 22 Godser Cherilus OT
1)# 28 Brandon Flowers CB
2)# 35 Sam Baker OT
2)# 61 I DOUBT DALLAS GIVES UP THIS PICK
3)# 66 Jordy Nelson WR
3)# 73 Chevis Jackson CB
3)# 82 Owen Schmidt FB
4)# 105 Steve Slaton RB/KR

inside the eagles mock has us taking gholston at 5 then DRC at 17 awesome

which mock was that?

Saw a mock on hailRedkins that had Carolina sending us Julius Peppers and their 1st round for our #5 pick. I think it was #13. Now that's sweet!

i think u did a hell of a job and i like ur ideas

Red Eye I like your hard work and appreciate your "deep" mock draft, but, I do not want Malcolm Kelly. I have heard Mcshay an Kiper say Cherilus is over rated too. I don't even claim to know about the others..... Good Work and GO CHIEFS!!!

Trading down is the way to go. New Orleans would be nice, but if we could get Dallas to trade their 2 firsts and second for our first and #136, we could fill nearly every hole with hope. Something like this would work.

1)# 17 Derrick Harvey DE
1)# 22 Godser Cherilus OT
1)# 28 Malcom Kelly WR
2)# 35 Joe Flacco QB
2)# 61 Patrick Lee CB
3)# 66 Carl Nicks OT
3)# 73 Chevis Jackson CB
3)# 82 Kendall Langford DE
4)# 105 Steve Slaton RB/KR
5)# 140 Letroy Guion DT
6)# 170 Ezra Butler OLB
6)# 182 Chad Rhinehart OT/OG
7)# 210 Marcus Monk WR
7)# 239 Darrel Strong TE

where did u hear this from crane website or link??? i have the network on 24/7 and i've heard nothing about that

what do you guys think of us taking albert or long at 5 then DRC at 17 if hes still there? then hopefully get baker in the 2nd. we could then take oline in the 3rd again

Anyone else hear Pac Man was traded to Dallas for a 4th round pick? I can't believe they would do that after the news came out yesterday he paid 15K in hush money for the Vegas incident.

i think we could either take chris long or ellis at 5th if not trade out of it with new orleans im tired of hearing all the saints bullshit down here on the ms gulf coast where i live..........and we should get a first next year and gohlston is a 3-4 dl he will be a total bust for us in the 43 defense.......