***Update*** Looks like Scouts Inc. (which, might I add, is grammatically incorrect; it should be Scouts, Inc. with the comma. Sorry, I’m an English major.) agrees with McShay’s mock draft, agreeing with scenario #2 (Rams taking Chris Long. Furthermore, they trade our #5 pick (and a 5th rounder) to New Orleans for their first round picks this year and next year. Wowee-wow-wow! I’ll take it!
Had you been watching Mike and Mike this morning, you would have seen Todd McShay’s most recent mock draft (which, apparently, was scrawled out on a piece of paper… just the regular amount of work he puts into them). However, this mock draft factored in Jake Long heading to Miami (officially) and all the latest information. Putting what he said into a graphic, this is basically all you missed:
I’m not gonna lie to you–this feels like the right lineup. Depending on what the Rams do, we could either be blessed with Chris Long or Matt Ryan falling into our laps. If the latter happens, I don’t see KC picking up Ryan (sorry, Adam); the trade value for him would be so astronomically high that Baltimore (or one of the other quarterback-hungry teams) would have to be tempted to make the jump. If that happens, we might see the Chiefs pick up a 14th or 15th pick for this draft. How eeeeenteresting…
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Thanks JPSPOOTY… Im really hoping that it turns out a little like that. I mean all those guys are quality players and all but (according to Crane) Jordy Nelson have a great chance at being there when we pick. And if Jordy IS gone, we DEFINITELY need to draft a WR.
And I WOULDNT trade down from 5 if Chris Long is there… And I would consider Gholston, and CONSIDER taking DMC, all before I trade down… BUT FOR SURE NO ON Matt Ryan!
havent seen jordy in the 1st anywhere but have seen him in the 2nd REALLY like that guy also. would LOVE to get him
Again, I want to hear some substantive arguments on why we should pass on Matt Ryan. Not just that his hair is a little too red or that he isn’t as big of a pimp as Matt Leinart. I want reasons, folks. I’ve listed a laundry list why we should take him, so it’s only fair.
I think Gholston is an option for the rams at #2. Personally, Gholston doesn’t seem like a player the Chiefs would go for. He looks better in a combine than on the football field. At this point, I would be happy with either Dorsey or Chris Long at #5 or trading down with NE or Balt and picking up an OT there. If Ryan falls to us, I would love to use him as trade bait to drop down (not past Denver and Carolina, they are looking for OT’s) and get more high round picks.
Adam, I can ONLY give you my opinion and feelings on WHY we shouldnt take Ryan. Now, I KNOW you fell in love with the guy… And I’m NOT saying that Matt Ryan sucks so we shouldnt pick him… I AM though saying that if Chris Long, Glenn Dorsey, or Gholston IS there, we take him. Why? We have far more pressing needs than a QB. ESPECIALLY with the recent vacant DE spot (that has C.Long’s name on it). Chris Long is IN MY OPINION the perfect replacement for Jared Allen. Glenn Dorsey could EASILY make Tamba and Turk a better player and bigger threat. He’ll be doubled teamed practically every down. And the same can be said for Ellis. Gholston MAY NOT fit our system, but its not like tyring to fit a circular shape in a square hole. It isnt. He is a DE… Now, Brodie DIDNT get a chance. Say what you will about the kid, but he didnt. Just the same way that LJ DIDNT GET THE CHANCE. Why? Cause we had the worst O Line. And you said it here 1st, we’re going to be 5-11… So really, if Brodie DOES suck this year with at least a DECENT O Line, then why cant we draft a QB NEXT year? I mean whats 1 more year if (according to you) we’ll be just as bad this year as we were last?
Good draft Roc, I’d change 3 picks
1)# 5 Chris Long DE
1)# 17 Jeff Otah OT (best run blocker for a running team)
2)# 35 Sam Baker OT
3)# 66 Josh Johnson QB (A project QB that doesn’t automatically screw BC and could play in special situations)
3)# 73 Chevis Jackson CB
3)# 82 Will Franklin WR (Jordy will be gone, but maybe not the helicopter)
4)# 105 John Carlson TE
5)# 136 Chilo Rachal OG (ONLY CAUSE I MIGHT GET HOOKED UP IF WE DRAFT HIM… I GREW UP WITH CHILO!)
5)# 140 Owen Schmitt FB
And not to push it, but… Ryan DID throw a shit load of interceptions.
Jay, I WOULD take Otah, but Im not sure if he’d be there. But I DO agree… He IS the best run blocking Tackle in the draft. No doubt.
Two talking heads on Stl sports radio this morning were saying that they were very confident the Rams have Dorsey at the top of their list, with Chris Long a close 2nd and Vernon Gholston a distant third. The Rams would be happy with any of the three, but they seem to have put Dorsey on the top of the list and are likely listening to offers for a trade. These guys have been around for a long time, and generally when they claim sources have hinted at such things, they tend to be correct. So we likely don’t end up with Dorsey.
As for Matt Ryan, the Chiefs shouldn’t take him. Not because he isn’t good, he might be. But, for a ball control offense, the last thing you want is the guy who threw more interceptions this year than any div I qb other than Vizza of North Texas. If he was the sure fire QB you say he is, he wouldn’t fall to number 5 with Miami and Atlanta sitting on the board. If he falls to us, that means both of them feel that the guys that will be available around their second pick are just as likely to be as good as Ryan. The only reason he tops the list is because this years class sucks, in previous draft classes he wouldn’t be a top 20 pick, maybe not even a first rounder. But every draft has to have its glamour QB, and Ryan was picked to be this years, because there isn’t really one there. No to Matt Ryan.
Roc27,
I like Jordy Nelson, but we shouldn’t have a pick near his value. I think he’s a late second and we need speed. I haven’t seen a lot of talk about receivers, but I spent all of last season just waiting for Kennison to get back. Cherilus and Kelly may be overrated, but does that mean they are not good or that they are not “that” much better than the next guy? In any case, if we can hold up at CB with just one projected starter, we could trade with New Orleans. It could look like this:
1)# 10 Brandon Albert OT
1)# 17 Derrick Harvey DE
2)# 35 Manningham WR
2)# 40 Joe Flacco QB
3)# 66 Carl Nicks OT
3)# 73 Chevis Jackson CB
3)# 82 Kendall Langford DE
4)# 105 Steve Slaton RB/KR
5)# 136 Kory Lichtensteiger OC
5)# 140 Letroy Guion DT
6)# 170 Terrence Wheatley CB
6)# 182 Chad Rhinehart OT/OG
7)# 210 Marcus Monk WR
7)# 239 Darrel Strong TE
Roc, you may be right, but dream scenarios are just that.
Roc,
I stopped reading at “far more pressing needs than QB” (I’ll go back and read the rest). QB is always the most pressing position in the NFL, especially when you have a shitball QB like Brodie Croyle.
I mean, how can a knowledgeable NFL fan not think QB is the most crucial position? I’m seeing this more and more and it’s just a head scratcher. You go nowhere in today’s pass-happy NFL without a great QB. The past three Super Bowl QBs have been first rounders, folks.
What’s one more year? While Brodie is sucking Mat t Ryan could learn the system and get to know his receivers, not to mention start playing some time after Week 10. It would give our rebuilding project a huge shot in the arm. We have the picks to use one of those first three on a QB. Matt Ryan is better than the other guys, at the most important position in the NFL, so why not go with him. We have the picks to do this and DE and OT will be there for our next two picks. Please believe me on this…I’m the same guy that preached Dwayne Bowe if Justin Harrell wasn’t there a year ago. I have a good gut
Jay,
You are just dead wrong on QB. It all depends on needs, but it also depends on money. Trust me, the Dolphins who just restructured management did not want to pay Ryan JaMarcus Russell money. Money is becoming a major issue. It’s why Quinn, Rogers, Leinart, etc…have all slipped.
He threw so many picks because he played in a ridiculously one-dimensional offense and threw a gillion times, with his coach emphasizing that he take chance. I’m not worried about INTs being a problem. They were more out of trying to make big plays happen than poor accuracy or poor reads.
Adam – It looks like you are getting some heartburn.
Don’t worry – I think we all are stressing out on if they are going to draft who we want.
Please o please just don’t reach Chiefs.
I’d like Chris Long, Vern G, or G Dorsey at #5, at #17 tackle Williams, Otah, or Clady.
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d807eea7e
I agree with this nfl.com video saying you don’t want to get too young too quick either, be good to bundle 2 7 rounders for a 5th rounder, and or 2 5th’s and a 6th and go up to 3rd.
With 6 picks between rounds 5-7 I am really, really starting to wonder how many of those guys we will end up cutting!
Macdawg, you got a point there. . . and the ONLY reason why I’d wanna move up to 3rd is cause I DONT want us to simply SETTLE on “whichever guy is left.” I want to draft either Glenn Dorsey or Chris Long, damnit!! We just let go of 1 of the best DEs in the league. We HAVE to get 1 of the best D linemen in the draft, and Im NOT refering to Gholston or Ellis.
But if Im Herm, I’d hold off on ther potential trade up til I see what St.Louis does at 2. If they grab Long then we should pick up the phone and hit up ATL for the 3 spot. If they take Dorsey, then we sit at 5 and have a few options.
Adam, if Ryan is the next Eli, Payton, Brady, as you are so boldy suggesting, any team that needs a QB should be all over him, no matter the cost. Besides, Miami didn’t get a discount with Jake Long over Russel. Long’s deal was 30 million guaranteed over 5 years, Russel was 31 or 32 mil guaranteed over 6. Your logic doesn’t add up. You are now like the Chiefs of 2002 drafting Ryan Sims. There are question marks, and teams have passed him by, but you want him because you’ve been able to talk yourself out of the questions. Most everyone on this site is saying no, for various reasons, but your completely sold. We’ve all given you reasons, the most compelling in my mind is that he will be ruined like David Carr if we don’t address the O-line first. He may be worth a high pick to a team like Atlanta who desperately needs a new face, or Baltimore who is a decent team with nothing at QB, but for the Chiefs with so many holes, he is a luxury pick, and with all our holes we don’t get luxury picks. We have a QB who the chiefs (you know, the guys who have actually been coaching him) believe can do the job. So give him a year and worse case scenario, we get the best QB in next years draft.
Here’s a list of guys who’ve had seasons as bad as shit ball, I believe you called him, and remember, he’s only in his first year as a starter.
Passer rating isn’t everything by any means, but I think its a good indicator of whether a guy helps his team or hurts it, Brodie’s was 69.9
Matt Hasselbeck 1st year 70.9
Peyton Manning 1st year 71.2 Rating
Brett Farve 3rd and 15th year 72.2 and 70.9 Rating
Donovan McNabb 1st year 60.1 Rating
And the most fun of all…
Eli Manning 1st year 55.4 and the Super Bowl winning season 73.9
So, if Brodie can up his passer rating a mere 4 points this season, he could be considered by many to be the next Eli Manning!!! Maybe even a Super Bowl Contender.
Obviously Manning played much better in the playoffs and near the end of the season, but thats with three full years starting under his belt. Croyle hasn’t done anything yet, but all the guys who decided Manning, Manning, Hasselbeck, Farve, and McNabb were “shitballs” are probably pretty happy their teams gave them a second shot.
for jason: sorry I didn’t respond earlier. The Peppers to Chiefs mock is at thehuddlereport.com
Sorry guys. I just don’t see Chris Long making it to #5. If he makes it past #2 St. Louis, I will be shocked. They need an athlete like Chris on their D-line worse than we need O-lineman! I can see us getting either Dorsey, Gholston or maybe even (God Help us!) Ryan. I am not convinced he is what we need. I have to agree with Chan, Herm and Carl and Bill that Brodie, if given the line that Trent had his last full year as a starter, will be a stud at QB. I would rather either trade down or get D-line help or maybe even CB help at #5 than to draft Ryan. Give Brodie a line and see if he can do something. If not, then I think Thigpen might step up to the plate. The issue is we need a line to protect whomever we put back there and like many have said, I don’t think Tom Brady could handle playing QB on our team with the state of our line. Thoughts?
Personally I could see 2-5 looking like this:
2. Chris Long-St. Louis
3. Matt Ryan-Atlanta
4. Glenn Dorsey-Oakland (Don’t really think they need him at this point.)
5. Darren McFadden-Dallas (Jerry trades us his two 1’s because he IS IN LOVE with Run DMC!)
We then get OT, DE and CB with our 3 round 1 picks! In that order.
CARL IS AN IDIOT PERIOD