The Draft Runs Under the Arch
***Update*** Looks like Scouts Inc. (which, might I add, is grammatically incorrect; it should be Scouts, Inc. with the comma. Sorry, I’m an English major.) agrees with McShay’s mock draft, agreeing with scenario #2 (Rams taking Chris Long. Furthermore, they trade our #5 pick (and a 5th rounder) to New Orleans for their first round picks this year and next year. Wowee-wow-wow! I’ll take it!
Had you been watching Mike and Mike this morning, you would have seen Todd McShay’s most recent mock draft (which, apparently, was scrawled out on a piece of paper… just the regular amount of work he puts into them). However, this mock draft factored in Jake Long heading to Miami (officially) and all the latest information. Putting what he said into a graphic, this is basically all you missed:
I’m not gonna lie to you–this feels like the right lineup. Depending on what the Rams do, we could either be blessed with Chris Long or Matt Ryan falling into our laps. If the latter happens, I don’t see KC picking up Ryan (sorry, Adam); the trade value for him would be so astronomically high that Baltimore (or one of the other quarterback-hungry teams) would have to be tempted to make the jump. If that happens, we might see the Chiefs pick up a 14th or 15th pick for this draft. How eeeeenteresting…
Now, with the trade of Allen. . . I ask again, do we trade up with Atlanta to take either Dorsey or Long? Especially knowing that Matt Ryan is high on their board and with them KNOWING that Matt WILL be there at 5. . . We have to sure up our D Line. We Have to. . .
April 23rd, 2008 at 9:49 amI don’t see the Chiefs trading up, they’ve worked to hard to acquire all these draft picks. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them trade down again if McFadden or Ryan is still on the board when their time comes.
BTW, I’m not sure I would call Ryan falling to us a blessing, although, since the Chiefs are officially in a total rebuild here, I bet Tony Gonzalez is made as all get out. He’s not going to see a Super Bowl in KC before he retires….so my question; Do the Chiefs entertain offers for Tony G.?
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:07 am“mad as all get out” that’s what I meant dammit.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:08 amAbsolutely on Tony G. I’d be so sad, I’d think about crying; however, we owe it to him. If you love someone, let them go–they’ll come back to us (in retirement).
-cw
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:15 amI’m not so sure that Oakland takes DMC though. They have Lamont Jordan and Huggy Bear’s kid and Michael Bush who people are raving about…where does DMC fit there? I agree that the old man is dumb enough to pay up, but if they don’t take him, (brace yourself Adam) I say we make Baltimore and Dallas fight over our pick for Ryan and DMC respectively. We might be able to squeeze those two first rounders…or maybe a DE and one from Dallas, or swap with Baltimore and still end up with Ellis or Harvey along with an extra pick.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:16 amI agree Crane, I do not see Oakland taking McFadden. I have a really strong strong really strong feeling that we wil trade out of the pick.
Adam/Zach, I suggest you put Tamba Hali up in Home page where JA once was?
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:39 amI never really thought about it this way BUT…
The Chiefs might consider taking the next best OT @ 5 and wait until the 17th to get a DE..there are 3-4 DE’s that are scheduled to come off the board around then.
I agree with the Tony G. comment by Crane, let him go to a contender, get something back for him now while he is still in Pro Bowl form.
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:55 amSure Tony wants to win, but I doubt he wants to go. he could of already (last Contract time). He loves the Chiefs and wante to retire as one.
I am actually excited about this rebuilding process.
Seriously, have you ever seen an NFL team tell the world they are rebuilding, and then acquire the additional 6 picks to do so? I commend the Chiefs and can’t wait to see the new young roster. Go Chiefs!
Also, Will the Raiders actually pass on Chris long? Would we?
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:06 pmThanks for the props Steve but I didn’t say trade Tony G. Except last year when I thought we should have traded Tony G. and Croyle for Eli (when he had a rough start) and Shockey but that was a pipe dream that only led to an “I told ya so.”
We CANNOT REACH at 5. I say we trade to avoid failing. We cannot afford another Ryan Sims debacle! Reaching for Albert or Otah at 5 is so dumb! Why not trade down 3 lousy spots…we only maybe miss out on Gholston and DMC and ? Could still end up with Ellis or Harvey or maybe even Matt Ryan and get an extra pick out of it.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:08 pmkc ant going to let tony g go thats dume lol and i bet kc picks dmc if his there with us trying to be a power runing game LJ CANT DO IT ALL BY HIS SELF WITH BOTH OF THEM IT ON I TAKE DMC YOU WELL SEE BET
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:48 pmlmao
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:05 pmMcFadden has character issues…several. KC wants no part of that nonsense.
Rob man, Get a dictionary… As for TG. I’ve heard things. I used to work at the stadium and still have friends that do. Occasionally, They get to make small talk with the players and such. From what I’ve heard, There’s quite a few people in the organization (Lead by Gun) that believe we’re substantially closer to where we are trying to get than people think. So, I don’t know if one of them is TG, but maybe he’s still thinking ‘Chiefs…..superbowl….maybe?’
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:11 pmnot now or anything, but maybe before He rides off into the sunset.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:12 pmive been sayin that for awhile now..i think we are gonna surprise some people this yr and alot of them people are here on this site
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:28 pmSimon from KC—-
I also think that we are not as bad as every else thinks. We will be good soon.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:36 pmThis is not a bad mock for the Chiefs: (Todd McShay)
1. Miami Dolphins — Jake Long, OT, Michigan
Record: 1-15 | Needs: OT, CB, WR, QB, G
The Dolphins haven’t had a true franchise left tackle since Richmond Webb in the 1990s, making this the right pick for them.
2. St. Louis Rams — Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU
Record: 3-13 | Needs: DE, DT, WR, C, OLB, OT
The Rams are looking to trade out of this pick but the only realistic option might be Atlanta, which is interested in taking Dorsey. While the St. Louis personnel department favors DE Chris Long at this pick, head coach Scott Linehan prefers Dorsey and is expected to get him.
3. Atlanta Falcons — Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College
Record: 4-12 | Needs: QB, OT, CB, DT, TE
Dorsey is priority No.1 but if the Falcons can’t land him here or with a trade up and get him, then Ryan will be the pick. Atlanta believes he is a franchise quarterback but would rather get the package of Dorsey and Louisville QB Brian Brohm with a trade.
4. Oakland Raiders — Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas
Record: 4-12 | Needs: DE/DT, OT/G, SLB, WR, RB
Word out of Oakland is owner Al Davis will pass on Hall of Famer Howie Long’s son, Chris, and go with the explosive McFadden.
5. Kansas City Chiefs — Chris Long, DE, Virginia
Record: 4-12 | Needs: OT, CB, DT, G, C, WR, QB
The Jared Allen trade makes defensive end a far greater need and this is the dream scenario for the Chiefs, as they would be able to pick up this year’s top defensive end prospect.
6. New York Jets — Vernon Gholston, DE/OLB, Ohio State
Record: 4-12 | Needs: DE, WR, CB, FS, ILB, RB
McFadden is their pick if he slides to them, but Gholston isn’t a bad consolation prize for a team that runs a base 3-4 defense and needs another edge rusher at outside linebacker.
7. N.E. Patriots (from 5-11 S.F.) — Keith Rivers, OLB, USC
Record: 16-0 | Needs: ILB, OLB, CB, ROT, TE
We still think the Patriots will trade out of this pick, whether it’s up to get Chris Long or down to get better value. If stuck at seven the intelligent and versatile Rivers makes the most sense.
8. Baltimore Ravens — Branden Albert, OT/G, Virginia
Record: 5-11 | Needs: QB, CB, LOT, OLB/DE, ILB
If Ryan isn’t on the board and the Ravens don’t trade out of this slot, they will take the best available player. We don’t make trades in this mock but we have to acknowledge that either Cincinnati or New Orleans will likely trade up to get DT Sedrick Ellis. If Ellis is there and Ryan is off the board, Ellis would be the pick. If Ellis and Ryan are both gone as expected then Albert makes sense.
9. Cincinnati Bengals — Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC
Record: 7-9 | Needs: NT, OT, DE, LB, WR, C
It’s unlikely that Cincinnati will stay here and get this lucky. Either the Bengals or Saints are going to be aggressive in order to land the second best defensive tackle available. If the Saints leapfrog the Bengals and take Ellis, Rivers would be Cincinnati’s pick if he slides. If Rivers isn’t there, the best available offensive tackle (Albert or Ryan Clady) would be the next option.
10. New Orleans Saints — Mike Jenkins, CB, South Florida
Record: 6-9 | Needs: CB, DT, LB, TE, ROT, S
The Saints’ priorities are as follows: first, move up to land Dorsey (likely too big a jump to make from pick 10); second, trade up to get Ellis; third, stay here and hope Rivers is available; fourth, if the first three options are unavailable then try to trade back; fifth, if all else fails take the best corner on the board (Jenkins or Leodis McKelvin).
11. Buffalo Bills — Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan State
Record: 7-9 | Needs: WR, TE, CB, DE, FS
Taking Thomas here is a substantial reach but we hear the Bills have targeted him and their most pressing need is at receiver.
12. Denver Broncos — Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt
Record: 7-9 | Needs: OT, WR, DT, MLB, S
Denver supposedly prefers Williams over Ryan Clady because Williams is more mobile and polished. We should also let you know that there are some rumblings that the Broncos might take RB Jonathan Stewart here.
13. Carolina Panthers — Derrick Harvey, DE, Florida
Record: 7-9 | Needs: ROT, FS, DE, RB, TE
Clady and Otah are the safest picks here but Harvey is a good value and the retirement of Mike Rucker makes defense a greater need. The Panthers could also take RBs Stewart or Rashard Mendenhall here.
14. Chicago Bears — Ryan Clady, OT, Boise State
Record: 7-9 | Needs: OT, QB, RB, WR, G, S
One of Chicago’s greatest needs is at offensive tackle and Clady is the better overall prospect compared to Otah.
15. Detroit Lions — Rashard Mendenhall, RB, Illinois
Record: 7-9 | Needs: RB, DE, OT, LB, DT
Though Detroit would prefer Harvey if he slips to them, the Lions would do well to land Mendenhall here.
16. Arizona Cardinals — Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy
Record: 8-8 | Needs: CB, FS, RB, LOT, WR, S
Arizona needs to bolster its defensive backfield and the Cardinals can take the best available safety or corner because current DB Antrel Rolle can line up at either position. In our opinion, that means McKelvin.
17. Kansas City (from 8-8 Minnesota) — Jeff Otah, OT, Pittsburgh
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:54 pmRecord: 8-8 | Needs: DE, QB, OT, CB, WR
After getting Long to replace Allen at defensive end, the Chiefs will look to address the offensive line here. Otah is a tough drive blocker capable of making an immediate impact on the right side.
Do not trade up with Atlanta. Not worth it. Trade down if Dorsey or Long are not there. It’s pretty simple really. I’d love Oakland to pass on DMC and then have Jerry Jones offer his two first round picks for #5.
Wow. That would be amazing.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:58 pmMark Schlereth sp? on NFL live just said “unless Jarred Allen can play DE and QB for the Vikings, then this was a bad idea” (not his exact words) It made me remember thinking during our slide last that we’d be the best team of all time if we 22 Jared Allens! Now we don’t even have 1
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:12 pmI’m all over the Jared Allen trade. We scored bigtime. I just want to see the Chiefs trade up and snag Chris Long. I simply will not be able to stand it if the Raiders take Howie Long’s son–no freaking way. RaiderFans are already insufferable enough; we’ll never hear the end of all the gloating if they get him.
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:37 pmAll this Chris Long chat is going to make me puke. Didn’t you guys read the “Space Cowboy” post? Two words: Skeet Ulrich
As for trading down and passing on Ryan, I’d prefer that to Long. Groves, Harvey, etc…are going to be just as good. Let’s not overrate the dude because he’s White and Howie’s boy.
My problem with McShay’s draft is that I like Williams and Baker better than Otah, who will never play LT. I also don’t like Brohm in round two (it’s Falcco or even Henne, people).
And Tony G said today that he doesn’t want to be traded on Sirius.
April 23rd, 2008 at 3:41 pmI think if they want Albert they could trade down to ten and the Saints who want Ellis or Dorsey. Get Albert and get an extra third.
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:08 pmI hope they don’t trade down because when we wanted to trade down it was to around the area of our second first rounder so i say we take Chris long, Matt Ryan or DFAD and then get Brand Alberts 17. If we dont get Matt Ryan I hope we get Brian Brohm
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:08 pmi think we should get matt ryan because i dont feel to good about the QB’s we have right now and then get a good lineman with the 17th pick like jeff otah
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:22 pmIn my opinion, Run DMC is nothing more than trade bait to the chiefs at best, don’t forget how well kolby smith played as a rookie when his time was up, KC invested in him and he is worth it, as far as quarterbacks go, you’re all going to think im crazy, but my gut feeling goes towards Henne if we do pick one up in the draft, I think he is the better QB at the next level.
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:27 pmMr jack mehoff i agree with that statement , i still really want darren mcfadden even tho it may be uneccessary
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:30 pmtrading down is the way to go if no Dorsey…we could still get Ellis, or Albert, or even a CB at #8 (BAL) or 10 (N.O.) and an extra pick/player? We’re not in love with anyone at 5 IMHO.
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:36 pm(Except Adam with Matt R.)
i think we could either take chris long or ellis at 5th if not trade out of it with new orleans im tired of hearing all the saints bullshit down here on the ms gulf coast where i live……….and we should get a first next year and gohlston is a 3-4 dl he will be a total bust for us in the 43 defense…….
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:54 pmAnyone else hear Pac Man was traded to Dallas for a 4th round pick? I can’t believe they would do that after the news came out yesterday he paid 15K in hush money for the Vegas incident.
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:56 pmwhat do you guys think of us taking albert or long at 5 then DRC at 17 if hes still there? then hopefully get baker in the 2nd. we could then take oline in the 3rd again
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:09 pmwhere did u hear this from crane website or link??? i have the network on 24/7 and i’ve heard nothing about that
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:09 pmTrading down is the way to go. New Orleans would be nice, but if we could get Dallas to trade their 2 firsts and second for our first and #136, we could fill nearly every hole with hope. Something like this would work.
1)# 17 Derrick Harvey DE
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:11 pm1)# 22 Godser Cherilus OT
1)# 28 Malcom Kelly WR
2)# 35 Joe Flacco QB
2)# 61 Patrick Lee CB
3)# 66 Carl Nicks OT
3)# 73 Chevis Jackson CB
3)# 82 Kendall Langford DE
4)# 105 Steve Slaton RB/KR
5)# 140 Letroy Guion DT
6)# 170 Ezra Butler OLB
6)# 182 Chad Rhinehart OT/OG
7)# 210 Marcus Monk WR
7)# 239 Darrel Strong TE
Red Eye I like your hard work and appreciate your “deep” mock draft, but, I do not want Malcolm Kelly. I have heard Mcshay an Kiper say Cherilus is over rated too. I don’t even claim to know about the others….. Good Work and GO CHIEFS!!!
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:15 pmi think u did a hell of a job and i like ur ideas
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:18 pmSaw a mock on hailRedkins that had Carolina sending us Julius Peppers and their 1st round for our #5 pick. I think it was #13. Now that’s sweet!
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:34 pmwhich mock was that?
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:40 pminside the eagles mock has us taking gholston at 5 then DRC at 17 awesome
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:47 pmJulius Peppers would be an amazing addition. Then I wouldnt be too worried about our need at DE… (Thanks a lot Jared)… But I highly doubt that happens. Hell, if it DOES, then I’m going to shit a brick…
Anyway, RedEye I see what you mean, but I like Jeremy disagree on the Malcom Kelly pick. IF we DO trade our #5 for BOTH of Dallas’ 1st rounders, I’d say it SHOULD go a bit like this…
1)# 17 Jeff Otah OT
April 23rd, 2008 at 5:57 pm1)# 22 Godser Cherilus OT
1)# 28 Brandon Flowers CB
2)# 35 Sam Baker OT
2)# 61 I DOUBT DALLAS GIVES UP THIS PICK
3)# 66 Jordy Nelson WR
3)# 73 Chevis Jackson CB
3)# 82 Owen Schmidt FB
4)# 105 Steve Slaton RB/KR
cant find that mock, need some help
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:01 pm1)# 5 Chris Long DE
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:11 pm1)# 17 Chris Williams OT
2)# 35 Sam Baker OT
3)# 66 Carl Nicks OT
3)# 73 Chevis Jackson CB
3)# 82 Jordy Nelson WR
4)# 105 John Carlson TE
5)# 136 Chilo Rachal OG (ONLY CAUSE I MIGHT GET HOOKED UP IF WE DRAFT HIM… I GREW UP WITH CHILO!)
5)# 140 Owen Schmitt FB
Thats what MY dream Draft would look like.
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:11 pmhey roc that looks good too
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:14 pmThanks Jason… We have to keep in mind that we’re gonna have to have more depth on our O Line, considering that we need to fill in 3 spots with new starters. So I see us putting 3 of our 4 picks in… unless Herb Taylor, Wade Smith, or Anthony Alibi step up in training camp.
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:26 pmPacMan to Dallas – PacmantoCowboys
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:28 pmF*ck Pacman and f*ck Dallas… (Sorry Im in a heated argument with my best friend… Dallas fan).
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:46 pmim big on owen schmitt think he’dive us what we’ve lacked since t.rich left
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:50 pmsorry he’d give us
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:51 pm1. No way we should take Ryan. Brohm had a better year and better career stats. Take Brohm in the 2nd round (if he is there..shouldn’t be but who knows). Croyle needs competition.
2. Chris Long or Gholston will be available at #5. Take Long first but we shouldn’t be disappointed with Gholston if Long isn’t there. He had 3 sacks against Jake Long last year.
3. Take the best OT left at #17 (Williams and Clady likely gone by then…fine with Otah…could also trade down and get Baker later in 1st round)
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:52 pmGholston had 1 sack on jlong but he still looks the part
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:58 pmOf all the mocks that I have seen so far, I like ROC27`s the most.
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:02 pmJordy wont go all the way to 83…I’ve seen him projected in 1st round…I could live with it, but again would rather trade down from 5.
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:16 pmThanks JPSPOOTY… Im really hoping that it turns out a little like that. I mean all those guys are quality players and all but (according to Crane) Jordy Nelson have a great chance at being there when we pick. And if Jordy IS gone, we DEFINITELY need to draft a WR.
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:24 pmAnd I WOULDNT trade down from 5 if Chris Long is there… And I would consider Gholston, and CONSIDER taking DMC, all before I trade down… BUT FOR SURE NO ON Matt Ryan!
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:26 pmhavent seen jordy in the 1st anywhere but have seen him in the 2nd REALLY like that guy also. would LOVE to get him
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:27 pmAgain, I want to hear some substantive arguments on why we should pass on Matt Ryan. Not just that his hair is a little too red or that he isn’t as big of a pimp as Matt Leinart. I want reasons, folks. I’ve listed a laundry list why we should take him, so it’s only fair.
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:44 pmI think Gholston is an option for the rams at #2. Personally, Gholston doesn’t seem like a player the Chiefs would go for. He looks better in a combine than on the football field. At this point, I would be happy with either Dorsey or Chris Long at #5 or trading down with NE or Balt and picking up an OT there. If Ryan falls to us, I would love to use him as trade bait to drop down (not past Denver and Carolina, they are looking for OT’s) and get more high round picks.
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:46 pmAdam, I can ONLY give you my opinion and feelings on WHY we shouldnt take Ryan. Now, I KNOW you fell in love with the guy… And I’m NOT saying that Matt Ryan sucks so we shouldnt pick him… I AM though saying that if Chris Long, Glenn Dorsey, or Gholston IS there, we take him. Why? We have far more pressing needs than a QB. ESPECIALLY with the recent vacant DE spot (that has C.Long’s name on it). Chris Long is IN MY OPINION the perfect replacement for Jared Allen. Glenn Dorsey could EASILY make Tamba and Turk a better player and bigger threat. He’ll be doubled teamed practically every down. And the same can be said for Ellis. Gholston MAY NOT fit our system, but its not like tyring to fit a circular shape in a square hole. It isnt. He is a DE… Now, Brodie DIDNT get a chance. Say what you will about the kid, but he didnt. Just the same way that LJ DIDNT GET THE CHANCE. Why? Cause we had the worst O Line. And you said it here 1st, we’re going to be 5-11… So really, if Brodie DOES suck this year with at least a DECENT O Line, then why cant we draft a QB NEXT year? I mean whats 1 more year if (according to you) we’ll be just as bad this year as we were last?
April 23rd, 2008 at 8:03 pmGood draft Roc, I’d change 3 picks
1)# 5 Chris Long DE
April 23rd, 2008 at 8:05 pm1)# 17 Jeff Otah OT (best run blocker for a running team)
2)# 35 Sam Baker OT
3)# 66 Josh Johnson QB (A project QB that doesn’t automatically screw BC and could play in special situations)
3)# 73 Chevis Jackson CB
3)# 82 Will Franklin WR (Jordy will be gone, but maybe not the helicopter)
4)# 105 John Carlson TE
5)# 136 Chilo Rachal OG (ONLY CAUSE I MIGHT GET HOOKED UP IF WE DRAFT HIM… I GREW UP WITH CHILO!)
5)# 140 Owen Schmitt FB
And not to push it, but… Ryan DID throw a shit load of interceptions.
April 23rd, 2008 at 8:05 pmJay, I WOULD take Otah, but Im not sure if he’d be there. But I DO agree… He IS the best run blocking Tackle in the draft. No doubt.
April 23rd, 2008 at 8:06 pmTwo talking heads on Stl sports radio this morning were saying that they were very confident the Rams have Dorsey at the top of their list, with Chris Long a close 2nd and Vernon Gholston a distant third. The Rams would be happy with any of the three, but they seem to have put Dorsey on the top of the list and are likely listening to offers for a trade. These guys have been around for a long time, and generally when they claim sources have hinted at such things, they tend to be correct. So we likely don’t end up with Dorsey.
April 23rd, 2008 at 8:14 pmAs for Matt Ryan, the Chiefs shouldn’t take him. Not because he isn’t good, he might be. But, for a ball control offense, the last thing you want is the guy who threw more interceptions this year than any div I qb other than Vizza of North Texas. If he was the sure fire QB you say he is, he wouldn’t fall to number 5 with Miami and Atlanta sitting on the board. If he falls to us, that means both of them feel that the guys that will be available around their second pick are just as likely to be as good as Ryan. The only reason he tops the list is because this years class sucks, in previous draft classes he wouldn’t be a top 20 pick, maybe not even a first rounder. But every draft has to have its glamour QB, and Ryan was picked to be this years, because there isn’t really one there. No to Matt Ryan.
April 23rd, 2008 at 8:34 pmRoc27,
I like Jordy Nelson, but we shouldn’t have a pick near his value. I think he’s a late second and we need speed. I haven’t seen a lot of talk about receivers, but I spent all of last season just waiting for Kennison to get back. Cherilus and Kelly may be overrated, but does that mean they are not good or that they are not “that” much better than the next guy? In any case, if we can hold up at CB with just one projected starter, we could trade with New Orleans. It could look like this:
1)# 10 Brandon Albert OT
April 23rd, 2008 at 8:34 pm1)# 17 Derrick Harvey DE
2)# 35 Manningham WR
2)# 40 Joe Flacco QB
3)# 66 Carl Nicks OT
3)# 73 Chevis Jackson CB
3)# 82 Kendall Langford DE
4)# 105 Steve Slaton RB/KR
5)# 136 Kory Lichtensteiger OC
5)# 140 Letroy Guion DT
6)# 170 Terrence Wheatley CB
6)# 182 Chad Rhinehart OT/OG
7)# 210 Marcus Monk WR
7)# 239 Darrel Strong TE
Roc, you may be right, but dream scenarios are just that.
April 23rd, 2008 at 8:37 pmRoc,
I stopped reading at “far more pressing needs than QB” (I’ll go back and read the rest). QB is always the most pressing position in the NFL, especially when you have a shitball QB like Brodie Croyle.
I mean, how can a knowledgeable NFL fan not think QB is the most crucial position? I’m seeing this more and more and it’s just a head scratcher. You go nowhere in today’s pass-happy NFL without a great QB. The past three Super Bowl QBs have been first rounders, folks.
April 23rd, 2008 at 10:24 pmWhat’s one more year? While Brodie is sucking Mat t Ryan could learn the system and get to know his receivers, not to mention start playing some time after Week 10. It would give our rebuilding project a huge shot in the arm. We have the picks to use one of those first three on a QB. Matt Ryan is better than the other guys, at the most important position in the NFL, so why not go with him. We have the picks to do this and DE and OT will be there for our next two picks. Please believe me on this…I’m the same guy that preached Dwayne Bowe if Justin Harrell wasn’t there a year ago. I have a good gut
April 23rd, 2008 at 10:27 pmJay,
You are just dead wrong on QB. It all depends on needs, but it also depends on money. Trust me, the Dolphins who just restructured management did not want to pay Ryan JaMarcus Russell money. Money is becoming a major issue. It’s why Quinn, Rogers, Leinart, etc…have all slipped.
He threw so many picks because he played in a ridiculously one-dimensional offense and threw a gillion times, with his coach emphasizing that he take chance. I’m not worried about INTs being a problem. They were more out of trying to make big plays happen than poor accuracy or poor reads.
April 23rd, 2008 at 10:32 pmAdam – It looks like you are getting some heartburn.
Don’t worry – I think we all are stressing out on if they are going to draft who we want.
Please o please just don’t reach Chiefs.
April 23rd, 2008 at 10:48 pmI’d like Chris Long, Vern G, or G Dorsey at #5, at #17 tackle Williams, Otah, or Clady.
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d807eea7e
I agree with this nfl.com video saying you don’t want to get too young too quick either, be good to bundle 2 7 rounders for a 5th rounder, and or 2 5th’s and a 6th and go up to 3rd.
With 6 picks between rounds 5-7 I am really, really starting to wonder how many of those guys we will end up cutting!
April 23rd, 2008 at 11:20 pmMacdawg, you got a point there. . . and the ONLY reason why I’d wanna move up to 3rd is cause I DONT want us to simply SETTLE on “whichever guy is left.” I want to draft either Glenn Dorsey or Chris Long, damnit!! We just let go of 1 of the best DEs in the league. We HAVE to get 1 of the best D linemen in the draft, and Im NOT refering to Gholston or Ellis.
April 24th, 2008 at 9:00 amBut if Im Herm, I’d hold off on ther potential trade up til I see what St.Louis does at 2. If they grab Long then we should pick up the phone and hit up ATL for the 3 spot. If they take Dorsey, then we sit at 5 and have a few options.
April 24th, 2008 at 9:07 amAdam, if Ryan is the next Eli, Payton, Brady, as you are so boldy suggesting, any team that needs a QB should be all over him, no matter the cost. Besides, Miami didn’t get a discount with Jake Long over Russel. Long’s deal was 30 million guaranteed over 5 years, Russel was 31 or 32 mil guaranteed over 6. Your logic doesn’t add up. You are now like the Chiefs of 2002 drafting Ryan Sims. There are question marks, and teams have passed him by, but you want him because you’ve been able to talk yourself out of the questions. Most everyone on this site is saying no, for various reasons, but your completely sold. We’ve all given you reasons, the most compelling in my mind is that he will be ruined like David Carr if we don’t address the O-line first. He may be worth a high pick to a team like Atlanta who desperately needs a new face, or Baltimore who is a decent team with nothing at QB, but for the Chiefs with so many holes, he is a luxury pick, and with all our holes we don’t get luxury picks. We have a QB who the chiefs (you know, the guys who have actually been coaching him) believe can do the job. So give him a year and worse case scenario, we get the best QB in next years draft.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:19 pmHere’s a list of guys who’ve had seasons as bad as shit ball, I believe you called him, and remember, he’s only in his first year as a starter.
Passer rating isn’t everything by any means, but I think its a good indicator of whether a guy helps his team or hurts it, Brodie’s was 69.9
Matt Hasselbeck 1st year 70.9
Peyton Manning 1st year 71.2 Rating
Brett Farve 3rd and 15th year 72.2 and 70.9 Rating
Donovan McNabb 1st year 60.1 Rating
And the most fun of all…
Eli Manning 1st year 55.4 and the Super Bowl winning season 73.9
So, if Brodie can up his passer rating a mere 4 points this season, he could be considered by many to be the next Eli Manning!!! Maybe even a Super Bowl Contender.
Obviously Manning played much better in the playoffs and near the end of the season, but thats with three full years starting under his belt. Croyle hasn’t done anything yet, but all the guys who decided Manning, Manning, Hasselbeck, Farve, and McNabb were “shitballs” are probably pretty happy their teams gave them a second shot.
April 24th, 2008 at 4:41 pmfor jason: sorry I didn’t respond earlier. The Peppers to Chiefs mock is at thehuddlereport.com
April 24th, 2008 at 6:09 pmSorry guys. I just don’t see Chris Long making it to #5. If he makes it past #2 St. Louis, I will be shocked. They need an athlete like Chris on their D-line worse than we need O-lineman! I can see us getting either Dorsey, Gholston or maybe even (God Help us!) Ryan. I am not convinced he is what we need. I have to agree with Chan, Herm and Carl and Bill that Brodie, if given the line that Trent had his last full year as a starter, will be a stud at QB. I would rather either trade down or get D-line help or maybe even CB help at #5 than to draft Ryan. Give Brodie a line and see if he can do something. If not, then I think Thigpen might step up to the plate. The issue is we need a line to protect whomever we put back there and like many have said, I don’t think Tom Brady could handle playing QB on our team with the state of our line. Thoughts?
April 25th, 2008 at 11:25 amPersonally I could see 2-5 looking like this:
2. Chris Long-St. Louis
3. Matt Ryan-Atlanta
4. Glenn Dorsey-Oakland (Don’t really think they need him at this point.)
5. Darren McFadden-Dallas (Jerry trades us his two 1’s because he IS IN LOVE with Run DMC!)
We then get OT, DE and CB with our 3 round 1 picks! In that order.
April 25th, 2008 at 11:54 amCARL IS AN IDIOT PERIOD
April 26th, 2008 at 9:37 am