Adios, One Man Gang: Jared Allen Traded To Vikings
Update 12:00 AM CST: The teams also are expected to swap sixth-round picks.
Breaking news from NFL.com–the Chiefs have sent Jared Allen to the Vikings. I’m actually quite happy with the two third rounders we got in addition to the No. 17 pick. By my calculations we now have six picks in the top 100, three in the top 40 and more trade value chart points than any other team out there. The draft now rolls through Kansas City. This is just crazy…
The Kansas Chiefs have agreed to trade Pro Bowl defensive end Jared Allen to the Minnseota Vikings, reports NFL Network’s Adam Schefter.
The Chiefs will receive Minnesota’s first- (17th overall) and both of its third-round picks (73rd and 82nd) as compensation. Kansas City has been looking to acquire additional draft picks in an attempt to speed up coach Herm Edwards’ rebuilding project for a team that lost its last nine games in 2007 and finished 4-12.
The Vikings also agreed on a new contract with Allen, which will be finalized Wednesday. Allen flew to Minnesota on Tuesday night in anticipation of Wednesday’s events.
From Pro Football Talk:
The Chiefs will now add the No. 17, No. 73, and No. 82 overall selections to the No. 5, No. 35, and No. 66 picks, giving them six selections among the first 100 picks…
More PFT:
In addition to the three 2008 draft picks that the Minnesota Vikings gave up in order to acquire the rights to defensive end Jared Allen, the Vikes have made defensive end Jared Allen the highest-paid defensive player in the NFL.
Per Jay Glazer of FOXSports.com, Allen will get a six-year, $74 million deal, with $31 million in guaranteed money.
Actually, the guarantee is $31,000,069. That’s right . . . “Wine ‘em, dine ‘em, 69 ‘em.”
We’ll be breaking this down all week, folks. For now, it’s still a bit of a shocker. I wasn’t expecting this until later in the week, personally. Stay tuned!
King Carl is a Bulldog…..now just don’t screw up the draft by reaching!
April 22nd, 2008 at 9:51 pm1st and both 3rds???? I thought for sure Carl had their 1st, 2nd, and next year’s 3rd in the bag. I guess I am pretty excited about 3 picks though.
If Dorsey or C. Long are there at 5…in that order, you must take them. The beautiful thing about getting both 3rds from MIN is that now we have firepower to trade up if someone falls ala Brady Quinn.
My dream of landing Rashard Mendenhall is fading, but please God do not let him go to Denver at 12. I cannot root against my favorite college player from my alma mater…sorry for that tangent.
April 22nd, 2008 at 9:59 pmWe dont need Rashard….
April 22nd, 2008 at 10:04 pmAs sad as I am to see Jared go, three picks in the first three rounds of a very deep draft will help that out alot.
You never know what you’re going to get with draft picks, they could be three busts, but they could also turn into three very solid picks. We won’t know the result of this pick for several years, but 3 guys for 1, even a really good one is a good deal.
We shouldn’t kid ourselves about Jared. He was a good player, but he wasn’t Derrick Thomas. We didn’t trade away the franchise or a Hall of Famer. The popularity factor with jared makes this seem worse than it really is.
April 22nd, 2008 at 10:04 pmLATER Jared! I can’t wait until this weekend, I have never been more excited for a draft. I am behind Herm and Carl 100%, just don’t screw it up guys.
April 22nd, 2008 at 10:08 pmDJ, you hit it on the nose. He was a very popular player, but he wasn’t even a Neil Smith. Three picks for one guy, WOW! Gholston or Long with the 5th pick and Otah, Clady, Albert, or Chris Williams with the 17th.
April 22nd, 2008 at 10:10 pmYO! Everyone lets move this convo where it belongs… In the War Room.
April 22nd, 2008 at 10:11 pmIf Rashard falls to Denver that could mean that Chris Williams would be there at 17! That would be great!
April 22nd, 2008 at 10:14 pmNOW can we put Derrick Johnson back on the banner on top of the site??
April 22nd, 2008 at 10:18 pmBanny, DJ -
I couldnt have said it any better. Goodbye Jared hello true rebuilding! Now I feel more confident about the direction this team is going with the rebuilding.
April 22nd, 2008 at 10:20 pmPlus he is the highest paid defensive player in the NFL. I am glad we didnt shell that out.
Hopefully Jared
April 22nd, 2008 at 10:21 pmgets suspendedhas a decent career.Adam – you had better get ready in case they take your favorite guy Clady.
April 22nd, 2008 at 10:22 pmI cannot accept guys who have no brain in the 1st round, I don’t care how big he is…Clady obviously.
April 22nd, 2008 at 10:35 pmYES! No Clady…
April 22nd, 2008 at 10:42 pmWow. I don’t know. I think id rather have the 2nd rounder than two 3rd rounders..even though they are high picks. I guess if they are used as trade up ammunition. I just don’t know. This week is like quantum physics.
I just jumped on here to speculate on what a JA would mean. I wasn’t expecting to SEE IT!
Anyhoo
If we get Chris Long at 5 this is what we virtually bought…
We put 4 years back on the motor of an elite DE
W trade down to 17 for two 3rd round draft picks
Is that a massive gain? A clever shell game? don’t know. But an old CIA statement just flashed into my head. “Everything has just gone sideways”
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:01 pmNow that we have so many holes on our team. Taking the best player available will be applicable for every position.
Take Albert at 5, Desean Jackson at 17?
Give Turk a Shot! He’s a second rounder! We have a pass rushing DE with Tamba, Turk would help with the rush.
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:20 pmI thought you said take the best player at their position?
I think you take one of the defensive lineman at the 5 spot (since they are not a reach) and get the OL with the 17 pick.
I dont want DeSean Jackson, I would rather have an OL then take a WR in the 2nd or 3rd since this is such a deep WR class and no clear cut #1 WR.
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:28 pmMasterBlaster–
We’ve seen over several threads that we are the only two people that seem to agree.
-We get worse at DE (especially if we go with Gholston over Allen)
-We get worse at OT (we could have taken Clady or Albert at #5; I think Clady, Albert, and Otah will all be off the board at #17, forcing us to take Chris Williams, who is a significant step down).
So the question becomes… is two thirds worth getting worse at DE and OT? And if we’re talking about money, are we really that concerned with our financial situation in a year in which the Chiefs have $20+ million of cap space in 2008 and probably in 2009 as well to work with?
You already know my answer.
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:34 pmJon Y, I’m literally laughing out loud that you think Chris Williams is going to be a step down from those guys. In my opinion, he’s the best of that bunch and possibly the best LT prospect period. Not trying to be a prick, but I haven’t so adamantly disagreed with someone in a long time.
I also prefer Gholsten to Howie Jr. regardless of system.
Agree to disagree, I suppose. You’re a smart guy, so I’ll hear you out.
I’m very happy with this trade, and I’ll let everyone know why in my next post.
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:40 pmAnd I like DeSean, but not at 17.
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:40 pmWell considering we are reaching at 5 spot (with Clady or Albert) on the OL I am not sure I agree.
And since we don’t have an OT I am not sure how we could get worse. All of the OT are almost comparable especially with Jake Long off the board.
I think we go Dorsey , C. Long, Ellis, Ryan, or find a trading partner for McFadden.
I think that these are all better options than reaching on Albert or Clady.
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:40 pmObviously I agree that Gholston doesn’t fit our system and don’t feel like he would be a good fit for us like Adam does.
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:42 pmWow..i guess we disagree again…1st off we dont reach..2nd we definately dont take a gomer like clady…at 5 we take the best defensive player in the draft…dorsey and then..with 17 we take williams..and im sorry but williams has been called a better LT than J Long so i think you should rethink your thoughts..with 13 total picks..SO FAR…we should definately find the starters we are looking for
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:44 pmI don’t care what the system is–you could have Martians come down and implement an effin’ Intergalactic defense–Gholsten is going to be the better pro player than Chris Long. You heard it hear first. Hold me to it, I don’t give a damn.
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:46 pmive agreed with that all along
April 22nd, 2008 at 11:51 pmI never said he wouldn’t be better but he needs to be a player like Merriman who can just play up down, wherever he f-ing wants. Right now he doesn’t fit our system with the 4 LBs we have.
I am still saying take a DT and let Turk prove if he is a worth the 2nd round pick. IF we give Brodie the shot why not Turk.
One thing is for sure some of these young guys are going to have step up really fast. Leave the diapers at home and bring the big boy pants.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:05 amAND IM ALSO 2NDING THAT MOTION..ALL IN FAVOR..LOL…I..DORSEY WILL BE OUR GUY…DIDNT SOMEBODY SAY THAT TO LJ AND THEN HE STARTED TEARIN IT UP…SOMETHIN ALONG THEM LINES
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:10 amYes if Dorsey is their he is our guy, but I am afraid that he wont be there either.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:14 amI just laid out the examples I thought were relevant. Say what you want about Chris Williams, but if he was the surest thing at LT, there is no reason why 3 tackles would be taken ahead of him as most mocks project. The point is, we’re probably going to take the 4th, 5th, or even 6th best tackle off the board at #17–very possible.
I actually don’t like Clady either. But I do think Albert could be a decent pick there. But my greater two dreams would have been Sedrick Ellis lining up next to Jared Allen or the Chiefs trading down with the Pats or Ravens or Bengals. Before, I think that was a very viable strategy. I think that with the Chiefs trading Allen, they have no choice but to stick at #5 and find a defensive line replacement for Allen.
On Gholston, I am an Ohio State fan and have seen every game he’s been in. I don’t think he projects well as a 4-3 DE, and I think way too much stock has been put in his game against Jake Long (nevermind that the field conditions were very sloppy) and his freakish strength. He’s still very undersized for a 4-3 DE which is extremely important for a DE to gain leverage on a tackle, and he doesn’t have explosion–he’s fast, but he doesn’t explode off the line like Allen or Hali do. In a 3-4, he doesn’t have to worry about taking as many tackles completely head-on or by using a first step to explode past a tackle. His home will be in a 3-4. Long may not have the upside as Gholston, but he has much better measurables to be a more complete DE. I really do like Gholston, but he won’t thrive in a 4-3.
I don’t know what to think of Chris Long. I think if he’s there, you have to take him. But I won’t be doing cartwheels.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:27 amYou don’t have to take Chris Long if he’s there.
No. 5 – Ryan, Dorsey, trade or even McFadden–gotta get a star, or move out
No. 17 – Harvey, Merling
Second Round – Baker, Cherilus, etc…
We could probably even move up and grab a WR in round two, i.e. Jordy Nelson, who could be sitting there late in the round.
I’m excited about this. And I’m real pissed at Joe Posnanski for calling Jared our best player. Someone forgot about ol’ No. 27, not to mention No. 88.
April 23rd, 2008 at 12:47 amVikings fan here. We all have reason to be happy. As the draft is only a few days away you guys must be primed! Good luck on the draft. Im sure youll have fun with it.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:17 amThanks! We sure the hell will! I’m sure Jared will be great next to the Williams boys. Good luck to you, too.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:26 amHEY..THX CHAD…I THINK ONE OF THE FIRST VIKINGS FANS TO COME IN AND BE RESPECTABLE..I COMMEND YOU FOR THAT
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:27 amWe got along great with Vikes fans at last year’s game. Unfortunately, there are just some trolls on line. Vikes fans are pretty damn cool, really. Beat the hell outta Rams or Chargers fans.
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:32 amim glad we got this takin care of..now we have a much better idea about what we need and what we have to work with and its definately lookin up to me
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:38 amthe way i look at is is we at least get the picks from the draft and dont have to pay allen the 9 .something mil ! he was going to walk next year anyway !!! we better have a good draft now !!
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:49 amSo first off i’m happy with the trade.
number 5 we need Glen Dorsey over Chris Long, Chris Long over Gholston if they’re there. I’m pretty sure the Raiders don’t let Chris slip away since they’d love to have a Howie Jr. Ideally we trade down for a mid range 1st rounder and maybe a 2nd rounder to go along with it, but i doubt it…
number 17 we use on Albert… hopefully we don’t get a Clady instead, not my favorite…
i’m hoping that there aren’t any WRs and minimal DBs taken in the first, leaving maybe a chance to trade up for a Rodgers Cromartie, who is my favorite DB in the draft… maybe Flowers. At WR i’d love to see the chiefs wind up with Limas Sweed somehow, but i dunno… seems like a stretch.
hopefully the chiefs have gotten themselves into a situation where they can relax and take the best players available rather than painstakingly weigh needs and cross examine talent… i think it’s obvious now that we have plenty of holes, but all of a sudden we have a lot of the picks we need to fill them in, this is definitely the chiefs’ biggest draft since ‘89 and i’m excited…
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:54 amJake, those are good thoughts. But I think a bit too optimistic.
I would be stunned if Albert is available at #17. And while Long could fall to #5, it might not happen either. I’m beginning to think your only real choice is to draft Ellis (do not agree at all with drafting either Ryan or Gholston).
The best thing you can do is to trade down, to be honest, but then… picking at #5 might be the only opportunity to make our defensive line somewhat respectable after the huge loss.
April 23rd, 2008 at 2:31 amHey Guys:
If you are Chiefs fans and want to smile, check out Draft Teks’ latest 7 round simulation, updated to reflect both Jake Long going to Miami and our trade with Minnesota (except for the undisclosed swap of certain 6th round draft picks). Don’t get hung up on the precise picks, because the Chiefs’ and other teams’ Boards will all be different from Draft Teks’ single composite player list. But it is a great illustration of what the Chiefs might be able to accomplish with their 13 picks in this draft, EVEN WTTHOUT ANY FURTHER TRADING UP OR DOWN using their embarrassment of draft pick riches. Focus especially on the first 9 picks in Rounds 1-5 and think about how many should be serious competition for starting positions at some point during the course of the 2008 season–all 9 maybe?
Jon Y, your Allen trade analysis is ok as far as it goes. The problem is that it does not, in fact cannot, take into account the domino effect of these 3 extra picks on the quality of the other 10; the Draft Tek simulation does. Moreover, even the Draft Tek simulation does not take into account the Chiefs’ geometrically improved flexibility to jockey for position to get the players they really want (or more picks for this year and next). Think about the child’s puzzle where you are trying to move the tiles around from a jumble to make a picture and you only have 1 open space (degree of freedom) to work with. Each additional space (degree of freedom) you have to work with makes the puzzle dramatically easier to solve. Not a perfect analogy, but it illustrates the point.
Enjoy Saturday and Sunday everybody. I know I will!
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:15 amI am officially happy about this. There’s no way I would have given him that kind of money. This is what’s best for the team. Life goes on.
April 23rd, 2008 at 4:50 amEveryone relax, there is no need to panic and draft a DE with either one of our first round selections. DONT forget that Carl drafted McBride and Tyler last year, I think he actually did something correct and foresaw this situation with Jared so he drafted two players that can come in and start. McBride has shown his talent and he and Hali will be the starting Ends with Boone, Tyler, and Edwars rotating the middle. At pick 5 we take the best player available or trade down to the Saints who would be inclined to trade up to 5 to get Sedrick Ellis. We wither take Ellis or take the Saints deal and most likely acquire another 3rd and 4th. With the second pick in round 1 we take the best available OL or CB depending on who the chiefs have ranked higher. If McFadden is there do you take him?
April 23rd, 2008 at 6:43 amGood DE are a dime a dozen; this is the best move I can remember the Chiefs making
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:38 amThis is really easy. Just find another Jared Allen in the fourth round. Then we’ll have added a free first and two thirds. Maybe Turk is already the next big time DE and he just needs more experience.
April 23rd, 2008 at 7:51 amOh yeah Mitch…that’s really easy to find Jared Allen in the 4th round. *snicker*
April 23rd, 2008 at 1:13 pmwhoever said Chris Williams is so fraking good needs to listen to what scouts are saying…they are saying he is not real physicqal and they don’t really know how good of a pro he will be….let me tell you this….. Otah needs a little work but will be better than williams….Clady is not real smart but will be better than William…..Albert Could be better than them all and saying Williams is as good as Long is ignorant….sorry but thats how i feel
April 23rd, 2008 at 8:33 pmCARL IS AN IDIOT PERDIOD
April 26th, 2008 at 9:36 am