Chiefs Fanhood 101
I love you guys, but don’t question our fanhood. I’d almost rather have you question our manhood. Yes, some of the comments I’ve read today have gotten under my skin.
Whether it was boycotting Arrowhead this year because King Carl knows he doesn’t have to spend money to make money off of us Chiefs fans, or being honest and objective as media members who cover the Chiefs, Chiefs fans have called out our fanhood because of some of the things we’ve written
A.) The proposed boycott did not mean that we were unloyal. The exact opposite, in fact. We still buy way too much Chiefs gear and watch all the games. We run a Chiefs website for Pete’s effin’ sake! But at some point we the fans have to send a message to King Carl that with all the money the best fans in the league spend on tickets, the least he can do is splurge a little on free agency now and then.
B.) Loyalty has nothing to do with honesty or objectiveness. Blindly picking a bad team to be better than it will be under any circumstance isn’t being a good fan, it’s being a delusional homer. Look, die-hard fans we want the Chiefs to win and get into the playoffs. But as objective bloggers who have pledged our allegiance to fellow Chiefs fans first and the team second, we owe it to you guys to be objective. That way the truth is easy to digest when it goes down. Brodie Croyle has never won an NFL game. Giving him five wins next year after the Chiefs did absolutely zilch in free agency is generous, folks.
I’m out for the day, but I had to set the record straight on this before I left. We love the Chiefs, and we will still be the die-hardest of Chiefs fans even if they go 0-16 five years straight. But we will also be critical of the front office when they deserve criticism. Being a good fan doesn’t mean taking it on the chin and never complaining, folks. And if my 5-11 prediction is wrong, I hope you call me out. I hope it’s wrong! But I highly doubt it will be.
Go Chiefs!
Adam just pwned you.
April 16th, 2008 at 10:33 amAdam, don’t let the comments bother you. We love what you do here, and I would never question your loyalty, and I never have. I still say 8-8, I really beleive it.
April 16th, 2008 at 10:43 amI don’t let anything really get to me, but thanks for the compliments, Jeremy. It just temporarily irks me, that’s all. I really think some Chiefs fans think you have to be a homer to be a good fan.
April 16th, 2008 at 11:17 amHere here! You’re the man, Adam. I agree that those of us who question the moves of our team are in no way “bad fans”; I disagree with that just as much as I disagree that questioning the President or our government makes us bad Americans. (Sadly, some surrounding that President might disagree with me; to them, I say “Whatevs.”) Discourse is what makes this country, and in a smaller sense, this blog, great.
Last year, in anger at how the first half had turned out, I “boycotted” the 3rd and 4th quarter of that horrible Broncos game. After all, I had some homework to do, and watching just depressed me more. You know what that boycott looked like? It was me turning off the TV and sneaking extended, 15-minute “peeks” at ESPN’s Gamecast. I failed at my boycott (and the assignment I was working on) because of my love for this team.
If you come to this blog looking for brown-nosing, save yourself a trip and click on http://www.kcchiefs.com . They’ll give you what you really want.
One last thing: My girlfriend understands how much I love this team. Recently, I told her just where she stands; “Lisa, I love you as much as I love the Chiefs.” She cried (I think the good kind). I didn’t tell her, though, that in a tie-breaking situation, I would defer to the Chiefs. After all, I loved them first.
That story had nothing to do with anything. All that matters is
GO CHIEFS
-cw
April 16th, 2008 at 11:48 amThe only thing I question is how you think of Tim Tebow. I agree with you on the record next season, I have the Chiefs going 6-10 next year.
April 16th, 2008 at 11:53 amI think that you guys are the most knowledgeable bloggers i have read and i love what you guys do….I agree the chiefs will not be very good this year in fact i say they will probably have about as good a yuear as they did last year…..I don’t think that will last very long but i think they will be at the bottome for 1 or 2 more years…..i don’t think i have heard you guys say something that was totally ridiculous your pretty much right all the time : )keeep it up
April 16th, 2008 at 11:54 amI’ll call this “CHIEFS FAN-HOOD 102″. . . . Oh, wow! . . . I just got “own”. Man I feel like such a jackass. PSYCHE!!!! EXCUSE ME for NOT sticking on Adam’s jock & agreeing w/ everything he says like SOME PEOPLE (Crane) . . . But you know, its funny to me how you guyS like every other broadcaster or journalist find it suit to state predictions that eventually end up being wrong (ie. KC losing AT SD/ Claiming in Wk 10 that The Patriots are the Superbowl Champs, Etc. Etc.)
April 16th, 2008 at 1:02 pmJust because you (Adam) FEEL like youre making an HONEST prediction doesnt make it right. Nor does it make you a better fan than ME. Just because I have more faith in our tean than a 5-11 season doesnt make me a so-called “delusional homer”. Cause the fact of the matter is we lost about 80 % of our games in the 4th qtr. and MIND YOU that was with a W-H-A-C-K O line, a rookie QB, and the absence of LJ’s 2nd half over drive that he’s come to be known by… This Season is a different story
April 16th, 2008 at 1:08 pmNow, if we were getting spanked like we were the Dolphins Or St. Louis every game, then I’d be more inclined to accepting a 5-11 prediction… But THATS NOT THE CASE…
April 16th, 2008 at 1:10 pmNnw… “The Boycott”. . . Well . . . I have mixed feelings about this but Do you REALLY think its gonna change anything? Cause so far, the threats of a possible havent changed a single thing. Theyve done just what they said theyd do so far in the off season. If Karl heard about this “boycott” he’d probably find it as humorous as a boy watching ants try to escape his ant farm.
April 16th, 2008 at 1:15 pmNow you can attempt your little boycott and write your articles, post comments, . . . hell walk outside Arrowhead with little signs. I doubt KP or Herm will lose sleep over it. Nor will I. If I get a chance to support our boys, Im Doing it. So you “pledge your alligance to the fellow fans 1st and then the team 2nd” ? Hahahaha! Not Me! Why? Cause I dont have 8×10 photos of Adam, Crane and Readbeard up in my office. My house doesnt have a KC CHIEFS FANS AVE sign over my door. The Only pictures of fans I have up are of me, my fiance, and my bulldog.
April 16th, 2008 at 1:21 pmWow, didn’t think we would get to this. I think we all have opinions and if we can state them in a good manner that is respectful we shouldn’t have issues.
ROC I am surprised that you have hated everything we have done and you stick around. I hear you opinions just dont make them offensive.
I think CARL, not Karl, would find it humorous. Its not about him its about us as fans. I don’t want to go spend my hard earn money on something that is going to resemble last season. Especially when the Chiefs are saving around 20 million in salary cap.
To me that just seems like they know Chiefs fans will come and spend money so why should they? If they can save 20 mil on the salary cap and still make as much than they have in previous seasons then they are 20 mil richer.
April 16th, 2008 at 1:26 pmYou can say you needed to “set the record straight” but you didnt set anything straight with ME. Cause the fact of the matter is I AGREE with a lot of the issues we got going on… I cant stand Karl Peterson. Our front office are monkeys at work, and Herm gets on my nerves… BUT I AM NOT DELUSIONAL because I feel OUR CHIEFS CAN do a bit better than 5-11. Im NOT a FAKE die hard fan cause I Wont boycott the ONLY team I love. . . So, take this how you want. GO CHIEFS!!!!
April 16th, 2008 at 1:27 pmOh And PS . . . . Crane. . . . get off Adam’s jock and go fly a kite or somethin’… Go write an article on the draft or somethin’. Cause this aint for you, bro.
April 16th, 2008 at 1:29 pmZach I NEVER said I “hated” ALL you guys do here! Not once. In the previous post I was just praising what you guys have done here at Arrowhead Addict. . . but again. . . . forgive for not siding with a 5-11 prediction or a boycott.
April 16th, 2008 at 1:36 pm& I can be respectful Zach… But when we got dudes saying “Adam just owned you!”. . . . Tell me thats NOT an instigating remark. Im just defending my points.
April 16th, 2008 at 1:41 pmAdam,
Some have called my loyalty to the Chiefs into question for some of my admittedly pessimistic assessments of the Chiefs immediate future. I have been a die hard Chiefs fan since I first began watching football on television as a young boy. Quite some time back during the darkest of hours for the Chiefs franchise just prior to Marty’s arrival, many Chiefs games were not televised in our area. My wife (new at that time) used to razz me (she has since grown up) by saying “The Chiefs are so bad they are not even on television and here you are listening to them on the radio in the bedroom by yourself. What’s the point?” Well the point was then and is now that they are “my” Chiefs. They sucked then, they suck now. But, I am still a loyal fan. I have Chiefs sweats, clocks, glasses, cups, pens, mugs, sleep pants, tee shirts, sweat shirts, socks, caps, bumper stickers, magnets, key chains, and yes……..even underwear. I know, I know, too much information. But the idea is, I live, sleep, eat, and breathe Chiefs!!!!!
It has been thirty-eight years and counting since the last Chiefs Super Bowl win, or since their last appearance in the big game. I’m not sure the Chiefs will even get back to the Super Bowl before I’m ready for the old folks home (hope they have the Chiefs on the tube), much less in the immediate future. The Chiefs last playoff win was in 1993!!! Joe Montana was the quarterback and his third down back was Marcus Allen. Yikes!!!!
I think,the Chiefs may get back to their winning ways with the so-called Herm plan if it is allowed to stay in place long enough. But, the best we can hope for with the current head coach’s lack of understanding of the offensive game is a retread of Martyball. We may win some games, but the big one will continue to elude the franchise.
So, I am not very confident about the Chiefs immediate future. I am still a fiercely loyal and dedicated Chiefs fan who will do battle with Broncos and Raiders fans anytime. But isn’t all this stuff half the fun? So don’t let anyone calling any of our fanhood into question bother you, man. This is an absolutely GREAT BLOG and many of us love it. Keep up the good work, and hang in there.
April 16th, 2008 at 1:42 pmFair Enough. I would love for you to do your own prediction too. Adam had enough balls to go own record before the draft, training camp, etc.
I think that is the whole point of why he picked 5-11. At this point in time we are not a playoff team. Can the draft change that? Maybe, but he was saying at this point in time.
Also the schedule just came out yesterday so he had to give his early predictions. I haven’t posted mine but I think we will be 6-10 or 7-9.
April 16th, 2008 at 1:44 pmg.l. -
I dont think anyone could have said it better! Good work….
April 16th, 2008 at 1:49 pmRoc27, fans don’t play the game, so we can’t really take credit for winning or losing at all. What we can take credit for is being loyal, being vocal, being knowledgeable, and being knowledgeable includes being realistic. I hang my hat on us Chiefs fans being the best in the league, not what the Chiefs do on the field. Does that make me happy? Yes, I like when the Chiefs win. But I have no control in the department. What I do play a part in is demonstrating that Chiefs fans are the most passionate, loyal and educated football fans in the NFL. We here at Arrowhead Addict play the part.
Also, a boycott can make somewhat of a difference. I know for a fact that the Chiefs monitor this site and other popular Chiefs sites (WPI, the KC Star, AP, etc…). If enough fans adopt the same attitude and refuse to shell out their money on tickets when the Chiefs don’t spend, Arrowhead will look like it did during the Titans game last year. Trust me, that along with enough negative media attention might not get Carl’s attention, but I will get Clark’s.
And my little articles are for Chiefs fans. As a Chief fan I once upon my time found myself hungering for more and more Chiefs news and articles than were out there, as did Zach. That’s why we started this site–for Chiefs fans.
We also started this site because it seemed that the K.C. media were a bunch of homers, save Jason Whitlock. We wanted more pressure to be put on the Chiefs from the media. Have we succeeded? Failed. I dunno, but we’ve sure as hell tried and had fun doing it!
Roc27, you’re my guy, and I think you are a great fan and respect your opinions. But just because I’m hard on the Chiefs and realistic, that doesn’t mean I’m not a good fan, too.
That’s really all I have to say. I never took it personal at all, but I appreciate the support. Really, I have just wanted to point out for a long time that being a good fan doesn’t mean being an apologist and offering blind support with no criticism. That’s called enabling the Chiefs to be shitty. I think Knicks fans are some of the best fans out there, and ALL they do is hammer the organization. But they still profess their love, cheer, rock Knicks garb, etc…
I just really wanted to prove this point for a while now, and feel that I have. And so what if Herm and Carl even know we exist (someone in the Chiefs org does, I know that for sure, FYI)–at least I can sleep at night as a Chiefs fan.
So let’s all just chill and agree that we are all great fans, whether we are optimistic or pessimistic about ‘08. Regardless of who is right or wrong we’re all wearing the same colors.
April 16th, 2008 at 2:02 pmWell, Im glad you didnt take anything I said personal. Cause this was NOT a personal attack. Again, I was disagreeing and stating MY opinion. I wasnt trying to get you to add 1 more with to the prediction you made. . . Not at all. Adam youre my boy too. but again, forgive me if I dont agree at times. We can agree to disagree. And you dont have to explain why you guys started this site. I kNOW why. And its been my favorite since I found it.
April 16th, 2008 at 2:16 pmI know and CAN relate to what youre saying of us KC fans. . . but when Im in a football conversation that goes a little like this, “Oh. . .well, you guys lost to The Raiders” – “Well, we have the best fans at least!” . So, I Cant hang my hat on that. Sorry. . . But I KNOW We have the best crowe in football. Theres No Doubt. . . But like we all do, I want to be able to brag about SO MUCH MORE.
April 16th, 2008 at 2:21 pmI know, but sometimes we like to remind you guys that to us this is just as much YOUR site as it is ours.
And this site was built on disagreement and debate–that of the Best Bros.. Been going on for well over two decades and counting.
April 16th, 2008 at 2:22 pmI just love the passion that comes out in these comment threads sometimes. You can tell we aren’t a bunch of White Zin-sipping Rams fans!!
April 16th, 2008 at 2:23 pmAlthough I don’t question your fanhood, not in the slightest, I also take offense to the charge of “delusional homerism” which is a slight on my own fanhood (though I’ll admit the prediction I made about the Chiefs beating NE Week 1 is a little foolishly optimistic, but I stand by it).
Allow me to tell you why we are far better positioned to be 11-5 than 5-11.
Top five defense.
In the 2007 season, despite having an offense woefully inadequate at acheiving a first down, our defense remained one of the best units in the league in terms of scoring. Beyond that, most of the statistics about scoring defense factored in special teams and offense given-up scoring. Our defense gave upits share of yards, but held tight on points. We gave up a lot of field goals in large part because our offense wasn’t able to play the field positions battle effectively. Every minor improvement on our offense will have a threefold effect in helping our already solid defense. And don’t bother complaining about the CB situation, because in a Tampa-2, the CB is the least important defensive position.
Healthy Larry Johnson
Are you guys forgetting that we were 4-4 in games that Larry Johnson started? And let’s not forget that those first 2 losses, he started, but was used sparingly due to his holdout hampering his playing condition. And we won the games that he carried the rock over 25 times (excluding the GB game, but had he not left with an injury, that score might have held for a Chiefs victory). And all of that was even when he was getting hit three yards behind the line of scrimmage behind the worst O-Line in football. Our O-line will have growing pains this season, no doubt, but losing Turley/Welbourne/Weigman is an instant improvement, no matter what newly drafted bodies fill those spaces.
Chan Gailey > Mike Solari
We all know that the play calling we had last season was atrocious. It surprises me how the biggest criticism of this team last year has been addressed with the hiring of a proven playcaller and everyone seems to have forgotten that we’re actually fixing something. Mike Solari was trying to fit square pegs into circular holes by running a watered-down Air Coryell offense somehow morphed into an inside power-running game. Chan Gailey will create a playbook that will work with our personnel and I am confident that LJ will have a monstrous season. The chip is back on his shoulder.
Brodie Croyle > Damon Huard
Brodie did not have the luxury of starting a game with LJ in the lineup (see healthy larry johnson section for the implications of not having LJ in the game). Now he will. I’ll accept that he will make his youthful mistakes and throw too many picks and probably drop a few fumbles when getting sacked. But Damn Huard was leading the league in INTs going into week 8 and our team was still 4-3 at the time. Brodie might have the downside that Huard had early on, but he has a much greater potential. He down not have the Huard/Pennington limp throw, he’s got a cannon and will be able to take advantage of man coverage when teams realize they’re gonna have to stack the line to stop LJ again.
Arrowhead Stadium
April 16th, 2008 at 2:26 pmLast year, the sea of red was polluted. And for all the talk of boycotts and other such nonsense, people will give this team a chance to prove itself again this year. I’ve been to a number of stadiums, and nothing has ever been as loud as Arrowhead. Homefield advantage will return this year if you just give it a chance.
Roc27 may i just say reading your posts made me lose about 20 points off my IQ…..The fact is that your faith in the chiefs is Blind Faith….. Our O-line is shit and is still going to be bad next year it may be better but it is going to be bad still…. I guess we had a “Rookie QB” if you count he only played last year but he was drafted in 06 and did play like 10 snaps that season…..Our best reciver is coming into his second season and the guys behind him are young and really not that good yet….We have One Veteran Corner, and then unrestricted rookie free agents as our starters at corner….but the main fact is the o-line? please tell me you are not relying on at least two rookies to be the saviors of our offense of line….becasue they won’t be at least this year
April 16th, 2008 at 2:29 pmwell..just because we are all entitled to our opinions..im gonna throw it out there that i believe we will be at least a .500 team next season..and if you read 25..ken pretty much said what i was thinkin i believe we can build a decent line..if not better than decent…out of the draft..hey Ian..walk towards the light brother
April 16th, 2008 at 2:46 pmOh. . . “Ian Brennan” . . . So, if you just lost 20 points of your IQ reading my comments, I guess youre down to 0 points and about as dumb rocks or a ding bat blonde in a chemestry class. . . . If ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO TALK DOWN TO WHAT IVE STATED TODAY . . . . JUST READ WHAT KEN JUST POSTED!!! Cause thats my point. Thanks Ken.
April 16th, 2008 at 2:56 pmRoc-
How am I on Adam’s jock?
I’m-
A. Not on the Matt Ryan bandwagon, but I wouldn’t cry if we picked him.
B. I posted my 5-11 prediction in the comments before Adam wrote his preseason forecast.
I’m not going to bother defending myself any further than that. I’ve got an article ready for you to read on the draft and to go a step further I’m going to write like a man possessed for the next few days just for you pal.
April 16th, 2008 at 3:19 pmThere you go, Crane. And he actually did call 5-11 before I did.
Ken, I took everything you wrote into consideration, and you have some points. Except on Brodie Croyle. He’s a bum. He’s never won an NFL game, and he’s never stayed healthy–ever, including college. Depending on Croyle is like a movie producer betting on Paris Hilton churning out a Best Actress performance. It’s stupid.
Folks, write it down–we are not going to go .500. No way in hell after what we did in free agency, or didn’t do, actually.
April 16th, 2008 at 3:52 pmWow, Crane. . . You really know how to make a GUY feel special. Well, now you go ‘head and write your little heart out. . . Mean while, I’ll be racking my wife, eating chilli dogs, and watching episodes of The Office. & when I get a chance I’ll respond to any retarded things your fingers will type up. . . Have Fun.
April 16th, 2008 at 4:19 pmTouchy Touchy
April 16th, 2008 at 4:23 pmRoc- When I said “Adam pwned you”, that was the first comment, so you must have felt that you got owned to take that to heart. I was addressing that to all the Cheaps fans that take negative opinions as a slight to the Chiefs. I thought we’d go 10-6 last year and I learned my lesson. We didn’t improve this offseason so my prediction stands. If we win games I’ll be happy and you can point your chili-covered fingers at me. P.S. Don’t rack your wife, that might hurt even if she’s got no cajones.
Ken- I like your style but losing three starters on the Oline is far from improvement- and much to Roc’s dismay I agree with Adam on the BC assessment.
April 16th, 2008 at 4:44 pmmy point had nothing to do with bro cro oranybody else..you guys cant call anything till after you see how the draft goes..who knows..maybe we will pick ryan..maybe we will get long…until we see our lineup in preseason..nobody knows how we’re gonna do…i think we may be in for a surprise..im callin it..and when preseason comes..if we look shitty or at the end of the season if we dont hit at least .500…then ill admit that you were right..as the old adage goes..its not over till till the fat lady sings and she aint even hit the stage yet..and as far as losing lineman..only guy worth a shit we lost was weigman and you have all been sayin that since i first got on here..i think all the bickering should stop..at least till after the draft
April 16th, 2008 at 5:02 pmg.l.’s post and Ken’s post are outstanding!!!!!!!!
There is no need for ass kissing, and no need for insults on this site either. I would not like this site if we all agreed on everything. We need to hear different perspcetives and different views.
I am an obessive compulsive person when it comes to anything about the Chiefs…. This site is truly special to me, and it has become an everyday part of my life. I want to read hear the disagreements but not hear any insults. No matter how stupid this sounds I feel like all of you are my “Chiefs” brothers, and when anything “Chiefs” happens, I cannot wait to get to this site and hear all of your takes on it, as well as spin my own.
I can see everyone’s points… Adam makes good points, and Roc27 you do too. Keep them up. Don’t take anything personal.
Again, I think that we will be an 8-8 team this year, and am willing to bet $$$$$ on it. I am sure of it. I am not looking through rose colored glases. (Ken your post forgot about the best newest receiver in the league, BOWE, just another reason to be more optimistic)lol.
April 16th, 2008 at 5:19 pmthank you jeremy..i have to agree all around…this is why i say there is no reason for the bickering..when the draft comes..im sure there will be alot to argue about…not now
April 16th, 2008 at 5:43 pmi called 10-6 a while back in the forums(ask csmq) and now that i see the sched. i believe it more
April 16th, 2008 at 5:59 pmHey, I don’t know about anybody else, but every time I see someone wearing Chiefs stuff when I am at Wal-Mart (yeah I shop at Wal-Mart), I smile and kind of say “alright” on the inside. The same with this blog, hey we’re all Chiefs fans, and I would be willing to bet that any of us could be found on any given Sunday at Arrowhead trying to raise the decibel level a notch. If not that then certainly in front of the tv twisting and turning on the couch with every play. It’s great to be able to come on here and see what everyone is thinking even if we don’t always agree with each other. Go, Chiefs!
April 16th, 2008 at 6:02 pmalso i have not been around long (actually computer illiterate and just got a computer for my bus.) but ive tried lots of chiefs sites this is BY FAR the best i dont even check in on those others anymore
April 16th, 2008 at 6:02 pmi will confirm..lol..jason called it…ive said it all along..this is a great place…alittle debate doesnt hurt..you guys just need to not let it get so heated
April 16th, 2008 at 6:12 pmI think if offenders didn’t address one another…as far as calling individuals out and/or then insulting them, we wouldn’t get so heated.
Also, IMHO, other AA commenters have carte blanche to chime in and call you retarded if YOU TYPE THE WHOLE THING IN CAPS and speling (sic) $hit wrongue or make like 4 comments in a row within a span of 5 minutes…then its obvious you’re spastically making reactionary comments, looking down at your keyboard and popping off rather than something that’s well thought out and rational.
Admittedly, I’ve painted myself in a corner here…Before you write back, now,…don’t be so selfish and consider the fact that my entire comment is not soley directed at “you” whomever “you” may be. I can’t name you at the risk of sounding hypocritical.
April 16th, 2008 at 7:07 pmCrane,
I am probably one of the biggest users of capital letter on this blog, but mine is never aimed at anybody, or is certainly not intended to be. Mine are simply used to emphasize a point. I did, however, allow myself to poke a little fun at someone who got a little pompous the other night, but that was kind of a different deal. I think a little dignity and respect goes a long way toward smoothing out ill feelings. So if my caps bother you, sorry they aren’t intended to be accusatory in any way.
April 16th, 2008 at 7:50 pmproving a point or emphasis if you don’t know HTML is OK, I’m talking about an abundance of caps for no reason…etc.
April 16th, 2008 at 8:15 pmFirst of All I do love your site and most of the time I feel your opinion is based on good analysis of facts. However I do have to take issue with the idea that the chiefs do not spend money on free agents.
First of all that has been a problem with the chiefs for the past few years, they have gone out and either traded draft picks for player or coaches and it left us without 10 draft picks we sorely needed. Mitch Holtise (sp) talked about this the last couple of games of the season and pointed out that this left us with an old team. Sorry but aged teams do not do well in the NFL. The Eagles have made a living out getting rid of anyone over 30.
Second of all about your harping on how come the chiefs do not spend money…if you do your homework you will notice that the chiefs have always been near or at their salary cap. So I do not understand this statement. This year they are not at their salary cap yet…but they have to pay allen and also a number 5 draft pick…so give them time.
And your third point about the effectiveness of going after free agents: To quote a super bowl winning coach bill Cowher “You can’t build long term through free agency,” says former Steelers coach Bill Cowher, now a CBS analyst. Here is another quote
Colts president Bill Polian will not be a free-agent player this year, and he’s happy not to participate in the market.
“The penalty for missing in free agency, because of the cost of the players, is greater than in any other personnel acquisition,” said Polian. “I’m not a gambler. I don’t even like to play bingo. I’d rather put my money in the envelope on Sunday. We’ll just watch and keep track. We’re not players. We put all our chips on the guys we had.” Here is another one…Linebacker Kawika Mitchell was the Giants’ biggest free-agent addition last year, and things worked out pretty well for them. That is why free agency is so interesting. Sometimes, the biggest winners are the teams that spend the least.
And to top it all off is spending money on free agency was a productive way of creating a winning team, than the Washington Redskins should have 8 superbowl titles by now….hmm seems like they have a difficult time even getting into the playoffs. In addition look at Miami…how many big name free agents have they signed since they are now being run by Tuna….and most consider him one of the best develpers of talent around….
I could go on and on with more quotes but that is a pretty impressive list of super bowl winners who seem to take issue with you position that the way to build the chiefs is thru free agent signings….
April 16th, 2008 at 8:18 pmWow… Crane. 4 hours later and youre still on me?? g.I. dont worry, Crane isnt talking about you. Its all me baby… And Crane, you said “speling (sic) $hit wrongue or make like 4 comments in a row within a span of 5 minutes…then its obvious you’re spastically making reactionary comments, looking down at your keyboard and popping off rather than something that’s well thought out and rational” (haha read that again. Youre not all that perfect in your grammer either, “pal”… but for your information, when I comment 5 times in a row and spell “$hit” WRONG, its because I’m at work and commenting off my cell phone and if I dont comment fast enough, the page will expire and I just wasted my time… (yeah, THATS how much I’m into this site. I hope Adam and Zach can appreciate that). It seems like youre the one who’s been calling ME out quite a bit. And trust me, youre not intimidating at the least. You can sound as educated as you want and act high and mighty because you have your own little segment here at AA… but quite frankly, you dont impress me and I doubt anyone else here… But I’m pretty much over this nonsense. I apologize to anyone who found offense in any or every one of my comments today. I was simply stating my points and backing them up the best I could… (all caps: ON) EVEN WHEN BEING PROVOKED! (all caps: OFF) Over and out! Sweet dreams Crane.
April 16th, 2008 at 11:12 pmlearn what sic means
April 16th, 2008 at 11:47 pmYOU called Adam out for his prediction…called it wack…and then went on a multiple comment diatribe twice about how we’re crazy for threatening a boycott etc…then you insult me by saying I’m on Adam’s jock…then you call me retarded. Its pretty obvious you set the tone for these comments. I’m sorry you are easily instigated by a comment that wasn’t even directed to you personally. I’m also sorry have to use your phone to keep up…but lets check the bullshit at the door.
April 17th, 2008 at 12:27 amand does anyone else think this is ironic considering the title of this was knee-jerk reactions? lol
April 17th, 2008 at 12:28 amI wasnt talking about “sic” genius! I was talking about “speling” and “Wrongue”… Geeze, how old are you dude?? Get over it already. I’m freakin’ done with you.
April 17th, 2008 at 12:29 amAnd EXACTLY… I called ADAM out. NOT YOU, big shot. And youre the one who felt the need to stick your nose in it. If you havent been “keeping up”, you’d know that me and Adam ALREADY settled our differences… I didnt call YOU retarded. I said the things you say are retarded…You’re the only one who seems to have a problem. And dont be sorry that I use my phone while Im at work. It doesnt baother me. I’m not on my phone now… And even if I was, I’m STILL able to keep up and state my opinions, while you sit there and talk all your jive… Just get over it “Crane”. I have an opinion and I backed it up. Youre just talking shit cause yuo can… yet anyone can do that.
April 17th, 2008 at 12:35 amcause YOU can (that is)… Excuse me for my grammar error.
April 17th, 2008 at 12:37 amAnd this isnt “Knee Jerk-Reactions”… This is “Chiefs Fan-hood 101″. Get your mind right, baby!
April 17th, 2008 at 12:42 amIts apparent you don’t know what sic means…I’m not going to write it 3 times as that would be redundant. I spelled spelling and wrong -wrong on purpose. That’s what sic means… and actually you did call me out and I was simply defending myself as well. So lets me and you make up too then, because this is foolish.
April 17th, 2008 at 12:45 amI suppose I should give you the full definition of sic before you get all worked up again and so everyone knows. When you see (sic) in an article or paper…that means the author of the text is acknowleging that what is written or quoted before (sic) is a mistake and it was knowingly written that way either because it was a quote or to prove a point. I should have written (sic) after each mistake, but again I felt that would be redundant like this arguing.
April 17th, 2008 at 12:49 amyou did get me on the knee-jerk reactions I’ll admit that…I had that stuck in my head.
April 17th, 2008 at 12:54 amFor the record… I never mentioned your name til you started butting in on what me and Adam were talking about… But if you wanna consider that, me calling YOU out. Then so be it. I aint gonna lose sleep at night over it… I’m all about increasing peace. But I’m not gonna die if we dont get along. I mean, I’m 22 and youre 30, bro… So, we’ll just see who’s the adult in this case. But I’m pretty much ready to drop all this, cause you aint gonna change my mind, and I aint gonna change yours. Ya’dig?
April 17th, 2008 at 12:55 am(sic)… Got it. Daily Bugle… Cool. Peace.
April 17th, 2008 at 12:56 amumm #7? Its all good. & I’m not 30…I’m 29
April 17th, 2008 at 1:14 amWOW! This has gone a little too far, calm it down boys or I will it shut it down…
April 17th, 2008 at 1:41 am7 was after what you had said in “Knee Jerk Reactions Part 2″… And face it man. Youre 30. 29 is just the savior number to tell people that youre still in your 20’s. Its ok Crane. I hear 30 is the new 20. Youre not old… yet.
April 17th, 2008 at 1:43 amBut all n all… We’ll call a truce.
April 17th, 2008 at 1:44 amwriter -
The problem with them not spending money is that we still have 3 OL positions to fill and our OL was one of the worst in the leagues. If you are satisfied with this OL and starting three rookies, lets just see what the record will be in December.
The problem with the Chiefs is that they don’t sign good FA. In the past they have tried to get B or C rate FAs to try and fill needs. Kendrell Bell, Vonniw Holliday, Shawn Barber, Dexter McLeon, Chester Mcglockton, the list can go on and on.
All we wanted was to sign ONE free-agent OL so we could feel a little bit better as fans to shell out hundreds and hundreds of dollars for this season. There have been a bunch of under 30 OL out there and we have failed to even entertain one of them.
April 17th, 2008 at 1:44 amOh and we cut Ty Law (at least 5 mil in cap room) and Benny Sapp. Instead of signing at least a 2nd string corner we are counting on three guys that barley made the NFL.
If fans really think we are going to get a good starting corner and three starting OL then you are dead wrong. Even a corner and two starting OL is asking a TON from any draft class. 3 years from now we might have starters but not in year 1.
April 17th, 2008 at 1:46 amI mainly lurk here, havent commented much but i guarantee i have a lot to say.
Anyway as far as questioning your fanhood, dude first of all this (and arrowhead pride) website is amazing and i visit it almost daily to get my dose of chiefs news. Just the fact that you run this website and devote your time to it shows enough fanhood to me. Ignore the bullshit and carry on.
Good work
April 17th, 2008 at 5:25 amKrans, thanks for the props, from all of us.
Second, it isn’t about me personally as much as it is about people calling out your fanhood just because you admit that your team is going to be lousy. That’s just silly season. It’s like having the worst cook in the world as a wife, but since you don’t call her Emeril and try to get her a cookbook published you’re a bad husband, even if you are hard-working, loving, decent and honest. See what I mean?
April 17th, 2008 at 9:02 amWriter,
The problem I have with the anti-free agency crowd is that they only look at the examples that represent their particluar case. In the Colts case, free agency hasn’t been an option because they spent all their money on five players (Sanders, Manning, Harrison, Wayne, Freeney). And what about the Patriots? They relied on trades and free agency as much as any team ever and ended up having the best season in recent history, sans the win at the end.
What we are saying is that the Chiefs were obviously doing free agency wrong before. At least the Redskins were overspending on good players and making the playoffs. The Chiefs have always tried to get bargins on aging stars or b-rate starters, crossing their fingers that the best-case scenarios would unfold in each particluar instance.
Now, they’ve just said since we haven’t spent wisely in the past and only signed old players, we’re not going to sign anybody at all.
What I wanted the Chiefs to do is spend a little less money and sign three guys like Maurice Williams, D.J. Hackett and Jeff Faine. I honestly also wanted DeAngelo Hall, but part of that was to create a buzz among Chiefs Nation that the front office had to act on its 4-12 season.
Anyway, I just will never agree with the point that you can do nothing in free agency and consistently challenge for Super Bowls with only the draft. The Patriots and Cowboys, pretty much consistently the best two teams in the league recently, prove that wrong, as do other teams.
April 17th, 2008 at 9:10 amAnd thanks to everyone for the props on the site. It’s a dream come true for Zach and I that we have created a place Chiefs fans call home and come to get their fix. Oh, yeah, plus we have a great time.
So, everybody, me included–remember that we can all disagree without getting our panties in a bunch.
But even though everything is all love and summer of ‘69, I still gotta maintain that Brodie Croyle sucks.
Oh, and I take offense to the 29/30 comments. I’m 29. 30 is the new 20! We’re still just getting started, just entering our prime. 30 is young. You young guns will understand when you get here.
April 17th, 2008 at 9:15 amAnd at least now we know how to get everyone talking–discuss Chiefs fanhood.
April 17th, 2008 at 9:16 amAdam,
Peace and love to you too, dude. But, having said that, Herm sucks, Brodie doesn’t! Or at least Brodie hasn’t had a chance to prove or disprove that he sucks. I still think you have to play offense to win a championship. The head coach does not understand this concept.
April 17th, 2008 at 10:52 amRoc27….I can tell your one of those guys who thinks every thing he says is right and blah blah blah,but your wrong and your just being dumb now leave crane alone he didn’t do anything to you
April 17th, 2008 at 12:15 pmI think the whole boycott idea is a great way to send a message! Besides, I hate playing the Chiefs on the road! Boycott: doitgo! Go Broncos!
April 17th, 2008 at 12:33 pmBrodie sucks… FYI.
There are great QB’s to be had in round 2-3. The Chiefs will probably snag one.
April 17th, 2008 at 12:34 pmOk Adam and Zack I see your point about the past drafts…and as I mentioned in my post the team drafts have been much better since Herm took over and now they have been taken over completely by Herm so we are now going to do it entirely Herms way. BUt to say that picking up free agents has helped Washington is suspect….they have been getting the cream of the crop for over 8 years and they have yet to anywhere in the playoff’s and so it has been a waste to put it bluntly…and to use New England as an example actually proves my point because until last year the only free agents they signed were late in the game and were not the free agents that were considered good ones.
I am on the road so I do not have all my stats with me but I am certain about what I am saying. There is absolutly no corrolation with signing free agents with a team that is rebuilding and doing well in the playoffs…now when you have an established team ala New England last year…signing a front line free agent did help them….but that is the first time they have done that…they got to the other superbowl’s without signing frontline free agents…and look at the giants who won a superbowl by basically hitting nearly 100 percent on draft picks. Granted if Peterson was picking our draft then I would probably buy into your logic…maybe I am more optimistic about Herms ability’s then you both. But I do understand your frustation about what has happended in the past….but my guess is that part of your logic is influenced by your frustration…but Like I said I also am frustrated…and will gladly join you if Herm does not do some magic with this draft….I do not feel that defending peterson is worth my time…not sure why our new owner kept him….he said that it was because he felt that it would help Herm…..not sure about that…
April 18th, 2008 at 10:34 pm