Who’s In Your Fave 5?
In the event that you’ve been hiding under a boulder for the last few weeks, let me be the one to catch you up to the Chiefs world: draft weekend can’t arrive any faster. Almost every day, one of the many NFL-flavored blogs throws out mock drafts that leave us thrilled, angry, or simply confused. On blogs like Arrowhead Addict, the message boards and comment boxes are filled with arguments regarding who Kansas City should select with its #5 pick. Do we go with an offensive lineman? Do we secure ourselves with a franchise quarterback? Do we reach for a player at a position we need to be solid? Do we select the best athlete on the board? And hey, what about trading down?
Like any other fan, I’ve struggled with which player I’d select if I were asked to pick. Of course, I’d love to have a guy like Jake Long more than anyone else, but what if he’s off the board? Who’s my guy then? Who would be my second choice (assuming that Long was off the board)? What about if that player was picked? Who would be my third most-desired player?
With respect to Dwayne Wade, Charles Barkley, and T-Mobile, I throw out a solution: Chiefs fans, select your “Fave 5″ in order of who you’d choose in a perfect scenario. Just pretend that Miami decides that, in recognition of our city’s superior barbecue scene, it will trade us its #1 pick for out #5 pick, free of charge. Everyone’s on the board–who’s it gonna be?
The only rule: you may only select each of your Fave 5s only once each. For instance, I know Adam’s in the midst of a love affair with Matt Ryan, but that doesn’t mean he can vote for him 5 times. Once you’ve selected a player with a pick, you must select different players from then on. No cheating.
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For other, at #5 I would reach for Brandon Albert, I think, maybe. lol I really don’t like any of the other options.
April 9th, 2008 at 10:56 pmid have to put it like this
April 9th, 2008 at 11:01 pmJ Long
S Ellis
G Dorsey
Run DMC
M Ryan
no way at all we go for a DE
has anybody else heard we picked up BJ Sams from the ravens for our return man
yes on BJ Sams, here’s the one of the many links..http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2008/04/09/herm-edwards-plan-is-coming-together-chiefs-sign-returner-b-j/
April 10th, 2008 at 12:21 am1. Matt Ryan
2. Glenn Dorsey (after injury concerns were addressed)
3. Darren McFadden
4. Sedrick Ellis
5. Jake Long
And we did get a B.J.
April 10th, 2008 at 2:39 ami picked other, you all know who i want to select
April 10th, 2008 at 7:21 am1) J Long
April 10th, 2008 at 7:56 am2) Trade Down
3) S Ellis
4) DMC - as potential trade bait
5) Branden Albert
Ok, Since everyone is posting their full votes, I did:
1. Jake Long
2. Glenn Dorsey
3. Trade down
4. Sedrick Ellis
5. Other (Brandon Albert)
I am still debating flipping 4 for 5. Adam’s list is very interesting.
April 10th, 2008 at 9:25 am1. Jake Long
April 10th, 2008 at 9:28 am2. Glenn Dorsey
3. Sedrick Ellis
4. Brandon Albert
5. Any LT with a pulse
Love the post - it’s time to put our thoughts “on the record”
#1 - Jake Long
April 10th, 2008 at 9:32 am(he would fill our biggest hole LT and he is in my mind the 2nd best player in the draft)
#2 - Darren McFadden
(I am a big believer in the best athlete available and he is #1 on my board, the reason I justify this is the depth at the O-Line in this years draft and the effectivness in todays NFL with the two back systems)
#3 - Glen Dorsey
(I wanted to put him at #2 but I am a little shy on the bust factor in the last 10-15 drafts with the DT position and McFadden is an unbelievable talent. Dont get me wrong though, Dorsey will be a stud - book it)
#4 - Sedrick Ellis
(This one is my toughest pick - because I believe in best athlete available you would assume that I would want Chris Long, but I don’t see any “need” for him. Same goes for Gholston. I love Ellis’ ability to shed blockers and push up the gut at the QB - I believe he would really help a player like Tank/Turk)
#5 - Trade Down
(if you are in love with a player like Ryan/Clady/Otah/DRC/Albert than this is the best scenario for you. You can have your cake and eat it too. This is number 5 on my list because when you get to the number 5 spot I believe you have to stay there and take one of the “great” players)
i don’t know if you all have seen it yet, but Yahoo sports is reporting The Miami Dolphins have began preliminary talks Tuesday with a representative of Michigan offensive tackle Jake Long on a contract to be the No. 1 overall pick in the NFL draft. So I guess if Long is drafted 1 overall then trading down makes the most since for the Chiefs.
April 10th, 2008 at 10:04 amI’ve got:
1. Jake Long
2. Trade Down
3. Glenn Dorsey
4. Sedrick Ellis
5. Other - Brandon Albert
I believe the Chiefs will get the deal done with Jared Allen. But, if the Chiefs have other ideas with his contract my order would be different. Jake would stay my #1, Chris Long #2, Vernon Gholston #3, then Dorsey, Ellis, and Albert. I also don’t think Albert is a reach as he is the best guard on the board.
April 10th, 2008 at 10:13 amList with short reasons
1. Long is gone. RUN DMC! - BPA - 2 headed rushing attack. If we are rebuilding lets do it “for reals”. If JLong and DMC are gone…the Chiefs should play Monte Hall and make a deal because you know they don’t want to pay a top 10 pick. Cheaps.
2. DORSEY
3. Ellis - (this USC/NFL bust comparison has my gears turning however)
4. MATT RYAN
5. DRC
April 10th, 2008 at 10:29 amI’m sick of hearing about Matt Ryan, we do not need to spend our first round pick on a quarterback when our o-line couldn’t block a high school jv defensive line. So my scenario is we trade our pick with Dallas for their two first round picks. We then can select Brandon Albert with the first and Brandon Flowers with our second, you KU fans may want Talib, but I saw first hand Talib get torched all night by Missouri and if Kansas wouldn’t of put together a pud schedule and went 12-1 he would be a third round draft pick. Since we filled two of our biggest needs in the first round then if they feel that QB is such a big need we can take Brohm in the second round who I believe will be better than Ryan or a player who I think will be great, especially next to Bowe is Jordy Nelson out of the better Kansas school.
April 10th, 2008 at 10:32 amCrane:
Thanks for reading the article before posting.
April 10th, 2008 at 10:32 amI guess you could say Albert,Flowers,Brohm and Nelson are four of my fav five. I mean I could argue all day that Ryan would be stupid, Jake won’t be there, we have so much money tied up in LJ who is better than Run DMC that we couldn’t trade him even if we wanted to and we could get two good picks if we traded instead of taking a player at a position that isn’t our biggest need. And with the scenario I put up there we win at least 2 more games if we get players at those positions in the first and second rounds.
April 10th, 2008 at 10:37 am1. Jake Long
2. Trade Down
3. Dorsey
4. Ellis
5. McFadden.
Obviously, Jake won’t be on the board when we pick as its lloking now. I put trade down as my second choice, but with the cost of a top 5 pick these days, I highly doubt anyone will want to trade up into this spot. Dorsey/Ellis aren’t really my 3 and four, they’re more like 3a and 3b as I consider them on par to address the same thing. Also, if Gunn is right about Turk/Tank, it might not be necessary to take a DT. McFadden at 5, only because I think that would give Chan Gailey the kinda player that he could use to create an unpredictable offense (sorely needed after the R2P2 offense of Solari the last couple years). But I am high on Brandon Albert. What I’d like to do is trade down to the Patriots at the seven spot (who will want to trade right in front of the hated Jets and snag whoever Mangini wants) and then we can grab Brandon Albert at 7th overall money. That is the ideal situation. We get out of the top 5 pick payrate, we get the best G in the draft who can also audition at LT, and we pick up an extra pick along the way.
April 10th, 2008 at 11:16 amKen:
The one thing about this draft is that there is no ‘obvious’ about what order the top few picks be be made. Remember, it was ‘obvious’ that Derrick Johnson would never last until the Chief’s picked, but he did. Hence, why this ’stack your draft board’ question was asked. I love this thread. It is very interesting to see the variety of permutations.
April 10th, 2008 at 11:27 amif Run DMC is theer at 5 trade it to Dallas for both ones a two. the chiefs talk about wanting to acquire more picks, well they just added two more picks. Then i say take Albert, Bhrom, Baker, and Cason. then take Nelson in rd 3. with this i can see possible 2 more wins. With a good rest of the draft maybe 8-8 would be possible.
April 10th, 2008 at 11:33 am1. J. Long
April 10th, 2008 at 11:35 am2. Trade
3. C. Long
4. Dorsey
5. DMC
1. Jake Long
2. Sedric Ellis
3. Glen Dorsey (still the slight injury question)
4. Matt Ryan
5. Trade down (for Brohm/best OT)
To anyone that mentioned picking up Brohm in the 2nd. You guys realize that the Falcons picked up a 2nd rounder above ours with the Hall trade, right? And, WHEN the falcons don’t pick Matt Ryan at number 3, they WILL pick up Brohm right above us, in the second, right? That is, if the bucks don’t pick him up in the late first round. BTW…the Bucks pic is right above both of Dallas 1st round picks. Something to chew on.
April 10th, 2008 at 11:38 amAnthony Crane- I like your thinking but I doubt Dallas would give up both their number 1’s this year. The only and strongest counter argument to your Matt Ryan hating is BRODIE HASN’T WON A GAME YET. I don’t care if the line sucked or not. Huard won 4 games. Case closed. We have a giant ? at QB but no one wants to admit it. Even if we give BC some protection, methinks he’s rather be sitting in a duck blind or balls deep in Kelli. I’ll take the latter, but my point is…we just don’t know what we have with Croyle even if he has all day. I agree our line needs to be addressed but we can’t fix it all right now. We gotta go BPA or trade. I don’t want to reach for Albert or DRC or even Ellis considering he’s apparently a huge vag letting Krumrie beat him up. I said draft DMC…I didn’t say we had to keep em.
April 10th, 2008 at 11:57 ambtw Merlinj…was that directed at me or Ant? I read the article. I made my 5. JLong is gonna be gone…regardless. Whats your beef? Or am I reading you wrong?
April 10th, 2008 at 12:00 pmI’m happy so many people have voted (although I’m irritated that so man picked their “Fave 1″ and didn’t round out the rest–that’s the entire reason I wrote this, but whatevs). My 5 are actually in the order I placed them on the image:
1) Jake Long
2) Trade Down
3) DMC
4) Glenn Dorsey
5) Matt Ryan
-cw
April 10th, 2008 at 12:03 pmBJ Sams just signed for FR/PR
April 10th, 2008 at 12:04 pmBy the way, I think that some people are missing the point–this has nothing to do with who’s available or who trades for whoever. This is simply your top 5 wish list. Fine, Jake Long is negotiating with Miami–does that mean you wouldn’t pick him first anymore? Shouldn’t. If you want him, you want him despite who takes him in “real life.” We’re playing hypothetically here.
-cw
April 10th, 2008 at 12:05 pmAnthony Crane, You’re sick of hearing about Matt Ryan? Well, I’m sick of delusional Chiefs fans who think Brodie Croyle is an NFL starter. E. Crane put you in your place–Brodie hasn’t done jack yet, hasn’t even won ONE MEASLY GAME! I’m sick of the Ryan haters, so come at Ryan and my thoughts on him and I’m throwing high heat back at you.
Gang, the whole line of thought with Jake Long at No. 5 is that the drop off from him to the tackle we can get in round two is less than the drop off at any other position. I am confident that is true.
April 10th, 2008 at 12:22 pmMatt Ryan might want to stay in college than let some of these roided D linemen chase him the hell around. Guy, who could get anything done in 1.4 second? It takes that long to make your drop. Is this man love or Brodie bashing?
April 10th, 2008 at 12:52 pmBe nice Adam…
April 10th, 2008 at 12:54 pmIt’s obviously all a guessing game right now. Nobody knows how these players will perform in the nfl. I’m not bashing Ryan, but thoughts of Todd Blackledge come to mind. I just don’t think he’ll perform well in the nfl. Here’s how I see things:
April 10th, 2008 at 1:35 pm1. J. Long
2. Ellis
3. Dorsey
4. Trade down or take Mcfadden for leveredge
5. Albert…I don’t think it’s reaching here
Crane:
It was directed at you. The article was asking for your top 5, period. To do a list with the idea that a player will be gone goes against what the article was asking.
April 10th, 2008 at 1:35 pmCharles, the A.A. comment section isn’t for the timid. You have to bring it on here. We all know that friendly smack is part of the drill here. As for Brodie bashing, the only things the guy has excelled out thus far in his career is losing and getting hurt. So, I guess, Brodie bashing. And I don’t see why thinking Matt Ryan is going to be a great QB is man love or whatever. Lots of scouts and experts agree. For some reason Chiefs fans don’t. I think it’s just wishful thinking that Brodie will turn out or we’ll get Brohm, who is going to be a bust, in round two. Argh…
April 10th, 2008 at 2:09 pm1.Jake Long
April 10th, 2008 at 2:23 pm2.Darren Mcfadden
3.Matt Ryan
4.Glen Dorsey or Ellis
5.Ellis or Dorsey
at least crane put the 2nd best player for us on his list (#5)
April 10th, 2008 at 2:23 pmPersonally, I find Adam’s list the most interesting. His list was:
1. Matt Ryan
2. Glenn Dorsey (after injury concerns were addressed)
3. Darren McFadden
4. Sedrick Ellis
5. Jake Long
So, what he is say is that (now I know this an absurd example but it is for effect) say the first 4 picks are C Long, Gholston, DRC and Brohm. Now, his entire list is available for us at #5. He would take Ryan over Jake Long. He would take McFadden over Jake and so on and so on. Personally, I don’t agree, but it does show us where he is coming from.
April 10th, 2008 at 2:52 pmAdam likes Jake Long about the same as most of us like Matt Ryan - its just a point where we agree to disagree.
April 10th, 2008 at 3:00 pmAhemm! Excuse me but I said the Chiefs signed B.J. Sams as their KR/PR? Any thoughts????? I for one have mixed feelings.
April 10th, 2008 at 3:04 pmJeremy - I think the lack of comments tells you all you need to know about BJ Sams.
April 10th, 2008 at 3:22 pmhaha lol. You’re right Dave! 27, injured two years straight, sounds like another Drummond. I hope I am wrong. I was hoping we would draft someone.
April 10th, 2008 at 3:32 pmMerlinj-
EXCUUUUUUUUSEEEE MEEEEE!
I guess it was the whole paragraph of Jake “Long-Lost Love” questions of who would you take then? before the “instructions” that were sneaked in the last sentence of the next paragraph that threw me off.
Regardless, Long won’t be there, and everyone that writes their armchair notes knows none of this really means jack. At this point I say we don’t take Long out of spite and in that it will give Carl P. an easy way out after he fucks up our pick and it will give him an out to say “our guy Long wasn’t there”.
April 10th, 2008 at 3:34 pmI just hate to break up the “love fest” here but, everyone needs to chill out. Even the Chiefs do not know what is going to happen. They might even select Jeff Otah at #5, (they were at his pro day today). In the immortal words of the Beatles…”there will be an answer, let it be”…. hahah. I personally think, (and I have no real clue or foundation upon which to base this opinion), that we will be able to trade out of the 5th spot. I heard rumors that the Patirots would like to move into the #5 spot.
April 10th, 2008 at 3:50 pmThe Patirots want the 5 spot to select Ghoulston before the Jets do. There is a lot of animosity between those clubs, maybe we benefit.
April 10th, 2008 at 3:51 pmjason-
I’d rather see us get Brohm at a value pick if we’re not going to bolster our line thru FA and draft. What’s the point of drafting a QB #1 with our line? To scare the ever-lovin shit out of him?
watching the starter get mangled?
Look how bad we jacked up a 1st round QB already.
We’ve essentially retired 2 QBs in two years…(TG and DH) are we trying to go 4-4? I just don’t see it. Let’s just use BC for a tackling dummy…go D line, SUCK next year but have a chance to win games due to Herm’s 13-10 borefests….then go QB-WR-OT maybe the following year. Maybe we get a first this year and next for DMC? There’s no point in being in bottom third of the standings when we can be at the very bottom if we truly are secretly rebuilding. That’s the thing with KC, they usually stay just good enough not to have to pay top 10 talent on draft day, and that’s why we haven’t won shit.
Mark me down dude. Anti Herm & Anti Croyle.
I hear Vick is throwing it around in Leavenworth.
April 10th, 2008 at 3:54 pmAlso, Talib appears to have a pot problem…so watch him tumble to round 2.
Here’s the thing, Dave, Merlin and Co.–I like Jake Long. But there is a much smaller difference between him and Sam Baker, Gosder Cherilus, etc… than Matt Ryan and Brohm, than Run DMC and any other offensive skill player, than the two stud DTs and the next best available. You don’t swim upstream, you go with the current. Good front offices go with the flow of the draft and take advantage, not against it. That is why I have Long there. And, yes, I don’t see him being any better than the four players above him anyways.
April 10th, 2008 at 4:07 pmSorry for not being part of the Long-or-die fraternity. I personally think it’s getting a little ridiculous at the point. It’s making me a little sick. Not to the point where I hope half we take the kid and he busts, but I’m annoyed. I guess Matt Ryan will just have to sell himself with his play, wherever he ends up going. Same with the other four. Jake Long will not be the best player from this class, that’s what I’m saying folks. Jot it down, but me on the record, I don’t give a damn. It’s going to happen.
April 10th, 2008 at 4:12 pmNothing personal, folks, just had to get that out of my system…
Think the Rams fans have got me worked up:
http://fansided.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=37&p=573#p573
April 10th, 2008 at 4:14 pmWhat I like about this is I’m going to be walking around looking like a genius for going to bat for Ryan when nobody else ’round these parts was.
April 10th, 2008 at 4:15 pmCrane-
“That’s the thing with KC, they usually stay just good enough not to have to pay top 10 talent on draft day, and that’s why we haven’t won shit. ”
Jesus, you could write a whole book on just that subject…call it 30 years of chiefs history by Peterson and Shotenheimer
Crane-
“Even if we give BC some protection, methinks he’s rather be sitting in a duck blind or balls deep in Kelli.”
Bahaha that was great, so true, so true….can ya blame the guy?
Ok, now where was I
Competition, Herm said it, Competition…lets throw Ellis in there with Tank/Turk…competition..not much but some
Then Croyle with some other QB we draft…competition
Then BJ Samms with some 6th round return artist…competition.
You know what I like about BJ Samms….he has a cool name and he isn’t Eddie Drummon..nuf said.
April 10th, 2008 at 4:30 pmcrane, i was talking about DRC not ryan. also talib should not be even in rd 2 and leavenworth says the vick stories arent true he arrived too late to play ball,also didnt BJ SAMS break his ankle against us during the ray lewis cry me a river game?
April 10th, 2008 at 5:09 pmmaybe that was P.K. SAMS
April 10th, 2008 at 5:17 pm1) Jake Long
April 10th, 2008 at 8:19 pm2) Glenn Dorsey
3) Trade Down
4) Run DMC
5) Vernon Gholston/or Bradon Albert
I will bet anyone that J Long won’t be there when we pick. 5 bucks. Sign up here.
April 10th, 2008 at 8:27 pmCrane:
“We” are not saying J Long “will” be there. We recognize the possibility. Now if you are saying there is absolutely no way, then you would offer odds on your challenge. Say 3:1?
April 10th, 2008 at 10:39 pmI already made that bet
Go back and read it, I said there is NO WAY he will be at 5.
Here is my 5:
1. Jake Long
April 10th, 2008 at 10:48 pm2. Sedrick Ellis
3. Glenn Dorsey
4. Matt Ryan
5. RUN DMC
Just forget it. Obviously a few of you would rather throw down your “Whatever the Eff I think” list rather than do what I suggested when I wrote this article, and that’s cool. I guess for those of you who understood my point, you got a little something out of this–an idea of an actual draft board/strategy a team might use. You are fans that understand that miracles do happen (YES to whoever mentioned DJ a few years back). To those who listed Jake Long or Darren McFadden or Matt Ryan as the player they’d take over all, despite where they will actually go, are smart fellows.
For those of you who’d rather bitch over if a player will be available or not (or, better yet, make rhetorical judgments of clearly-written sentences), I congratulate you on showing your true colors. Way to be.
-cw *annoyed*
April 10th, 2008 at 11:23 pmJesus H. CW take it easy. I didn’t fuck your girlfriend. I misunderstood with the whole Jake Long lead in okay? I would take Jake with our pick, that’s why he was mentioned first in my list but I’m not getting my hopes up…don’t take my mistake as a slight to your article. I have all three of your smart fellows on my list. So now what am I?
By the way, just because you suggested taking a top 5, I don’t see how that is a new idea that the smart guys “got something out of” around here considering we’ve been doing this mock draft thing for months.
I also don’t see what good throwing me under the bus does for you CWebb. I think you’re overreacting.
Also, MerlinJ- way to do exactly what you called me out for on your analysis on #34 , Then I assume its ok if you put a disclaimer on it? (that was a rhetorical question CWebb.)
April 11th, 2008 at 12:07 amMan, we all are getting a little touchy, myself definitely included. Methinks the draft is right around the corner and we are
April 11th, 2008 at 12:16 amstressed, make that scared, about what’s going to go down. Deep breaths and baby steps…and go take your frustration out on Rams fans over on the forums. That’s always fun. That’s what I’ve been doing.I know dude. I call for a truce as well. We are all gonna be ok until draft day when the Chiefs do something completely stupid…then we’ll have something to bitch about!
April 11th, 2008 at 12:28 amIs the little brother going to have to come in here and whip some ass?
April 11th, 2008 at 12:36 amSo what your saying Mr. Crane is that you would take a questionable quarterback over trading and getting an extra pick? Personally I think Brohm is a better QB than Ryan. Brohm has been good his whole career not just one season. Brodie has all the tools to be a decent QB, look at Peyton last year. The o-line wasn’t as strong and he struggled. My feeling is give Croyle one more year and if he stinks up the place we pick high again and we can pick up the best Qb in college football Mr. Teebow. So instead this year use your picks to build around the quarterback and then we can really find out how good or bad he is.
April 11th, 2008 at 12:47 amoh and another thing why don’t you compare BC and Damon’s numbers Mr. Crane… go to espn.com and maybe you’ll learn a thing or two about football.
April 11th, 2008 at 12:50 amI wouldn’t mind seeing anyone you guys have mentioned, on our team. But in order of preference, I’d like to see:
1. Jake Long (at either tackle position, we need help)
April 11th, 2008 at 1:00 am2. Brandon Albert (slated as a guard, but could play tackle or guard, and shore us up anywhere on the line)
3. Sedrick Ellis (we need another solid presence in the middle of our line, and Sedrick jumps out at me. Glenn Dorsey also is a stud, but the injury concerns scare me, I think Dorsey will be a Kris Jenkins type, pro-bowler a couple times, but injured and a non-factor the rest. I’d rather have a ‘great’ player be there for me consistently than an ‘outstanding’ player slowed by injuries or out of the game period)
4. Vernon Gholston (an explosive player who would follow the likes of DeMarcus Ware and Jason Taylor, you don’t know where he’s coming from or what he’s gonna do. Our D is solid, and constantly improving, but we don’t have the ‘x-factor’, for lack of a better term. He provides that.
5. A trading-down scenario, since we need quite a few starters, and good late round starters are hard to come by right off the bat..
Not only do the Chiefs have a recent trend of drafting great talent in the later part of the first round (Larry and Derrick Johnson, Tamba Hali, and D-Bowe) they also havn’t done too shabby in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. But we need at least one more corner to pair up with Brackinridge/Patterson, while Surtain plays the nickel (Hey, knock the idea if you will, but Ty Law alone let more people blow past him/got juked out of his pants, more than any rookie DB I’ve seen in a long, long, oh so long, time. And the rookie would have upside, not age-problems.) It’ll be a shaky secondary for awhile, but eventually our 4 young players (Pollard, Page, and the 2 corners, whomever they may be) will gel, and in a few years, should be one of the better secondaries in the league, especially behind our solid front seven. And we can pick up a helluva corner in the late first to early second rounds. Talib, DRC, Flowers, McKelvin, just to name a few, and SOMEONE will be left out of that group.
Anthony Crane, Brohm is not better than Ryan and did not enjoy the better career. Ryan actually posted a better record as a starter with less talent, not to mention the fact that he delivered as a senior, with the pressure on. Brohm completely choked last year. 6-6 when they came in at No. 5 in the country? That’s the guy you want to lead your franchise. I’d rather spend a first on Ryan than a second or even a third on Brohm, personally. The guy is a system QB and a choker. Matt Ryan is the better QB and leader, and I’m confident history will prove me right.
April 11th, 2008 at 3:25 amAnd while I like Branden Albert I’m a little discouraged that we are giving so much thought to drafting the guy fifth when before the April showers hit he wasn’t even in the first round of most expert’s mocks. Holy reach, Batman! Yikes!
April 11th, 2008 at 3:27 amD. Huard - 2007 4 WINS QB Rating 76.9 COMP 62.0 TD 11
B. Croyle 2007 0 WINS QB Rating 69.9 COMP 56.9 TD 6
HUARD G 11 AVG 6.8
April 11th, 2008 at 10:46 amCROYLE G 9 AVG 5.6
Anthony Crane, since your name is Crane I was going to be extra nice to you but I never said I’d take a QB instead of trading. You should read my comment again. I said if we are not going to help our line, I’d rather see us draft Brohm late than say a Matt Ryan early because they won’t have a fair shake. What is it with Crane’s and misreading around here. Effing Crane’s huh…what morons.
April 11th, 2008 at 11:33 amCrane: Thank you for not fornicating with anyone connected to me. I understand you might have misunderstood; however, making a top 5 wish list is different than a Mock Draft–entirely different. I am not throwing you or anyone else under the bus; I just put this up with a specific purpose, and making the point about Jake Long being available isn’t pertinent. That’s it. We cool.
Adam: I heard the same thing on Albert on “Mike and Mike.” They brought up a good point–there are really 6 or 7 upper-tier players this year, and Albert (while his draft position and rating is improving) isn’t one of those guys. Now, I’m all for drafting for need–I thought, more than anything,we need to focus on the line. That’s my whole justification behind Long over Ryan. However, am I the only one who feels that the “opportunity” to draft 5th would be wasted on a guy who’s not going to go regularly until further-on down the round? It worked w/ Buffalo with their Safety choice a year or two ago, but I don’t know. This is my reasoning for my #2 being “trade down”; this way, we could get Albert for a more appropriate price and possibly pick up another quality starter.
xxxlp: Hey, just asking because I honestly don’t know, but on the same “Mike and Mike” program, they talked about Vernon being more of a 3-4 defense type of guy, ala Merriman. Do you see him fitting in well w/ us, and in what capacity?
Love, peace, and chicken grease.
-cw
April 11th, 2008 at 10:47 pm1. Jake long
April 12th, 2008 at 12:00 pm2. Glenn Dorsey
3. Branden Albert
4. Mike Jenkins
5. Sedrick Ellis
1. Branden Albert
2. Glenn Dorsey
3. Darren McFadden
4. Jake Long
5. Chris Long
Branden Albert has played some LT and looked phenomenal and has a great attitude and good upside, Dorsey is unstoppable in the middle, McFadden is merely an addition to help our O and keep LJ from taking so many carries, Long is going to be a RT soon and who takes a RT with the 5th pick, and Chris Long makes Jared Allen expendable, which is sad but helps us get more picks for better players.
In terms of Darren McFadden, LJ’s best season was 3 years ago when he and Priest split the beginning part of the seaso’s carries then he exploded out of the gate when Priest fell to injury.
April 13th, 2008 at 3:00 pmLike the list, but everyone needs to slow their roll when it comes to the Branden Albert parade. Don’t believe the hype! He isn’t a top five player.
April 13th, 2008 at 6:27 pmCW, I saw that episode of Mike and Mike (listen/watch it regularly) and while I think Vernon would indeed be a better fit in a 3-4 defense, I think he would be an awesome pick-up for any of the 32 teams. The man is a physical freak, has explosiveness that have made some of the best do a double take, and he just plain knows how to rush the passer. We’ve already got Jared and Tamba, both badass, or solid, in their own right, Boone even gets push up the middle. But we could both use Vernon to spell Donnie or one of the other ‘backers, or have Tamba slide inside (a Justin Tuck type-thing, where a DE is playing DT) and use Gholston outside. Our corner position is sadly lacking, although I have a man-crush on Tyron Brackenridge (never know how to spell that damn name), but in a cover 2, and with rushers coming from all over the place, and the other team never know exactly where from, we don’t need great corners. We can have speedy little guys who can just stick with that WR for 2 seconds, enough for our rush to get there. The only downside I see to taking Gholston is that we’d be paying him humungous dollars for the first few years to essentially rotate, because unless we move Donnie to MLB like I want, Napoleon will still be in the middle, with DJ and Donnie Edwards on the outside backers, and Gholston won’t beat out either of those 2, presumably. He might give Tamba a run for his money at the DE position at well, but I think Tamba will improve a little again this year, so I doubt that as well. I’d still go Ellis or work on the O-line first, to get a starter, rather than an alternate, but if we happen to pick up the Gholstonater, I’ll be excited at the things Gun-Cunningham will cook up with that physical specimen on board.
On a side note: I read you guys think that Brandon Albert wasn’t high on draft boards even a month ago, so you think we shouldn’t pick him. By those means, Matt Ryan shouldn’t be picked as well. For the longest time all the experts said that there were no good-great QB’s in this draft, and then not too long ago, Matt Ryan makes a miraculous transformation into a 12 year pro-bowl franchise quarterback? Either-or, Matt Ryan is in consideration as well as BA, or MR-BA are both out of the convo, can’t have the cake and eat it too people.
April 13th, 2008 at 6:28 pmhaha okay Crane you got me on that one, i knew his touchdown to interception ratio was better, but I’ll give you the nod in this argument.As for the one that argued that Ryan had better stats than Brohm you better check again, Brohm 71 TD’s to 24 Ints while your boy Ryan had 56 TDs to to 37 Ints and threw more interceptions in 2 years than Brohm did in four. You don’t even want to know the difference in their QB ratings
April 14th, 2008 at 10:26 amI didn’t say jack about Brohm or Ryan’s stats….that was Adam. I think Ryan is probably better in the clutch, but I really don’t want either one that bad. My vote says we take DMC and get a QB next year.
April 14th, 2008 at 1:10 pmIf miami doesn’t take Jake Long St.Louis Will….so he he is gone either way….. that being said lets just say that miami takes Chris Long and st.louis will take JAke Long, and then hopefully Atlanta takes MAtt Ryan, then Oakland could take Mcfadden or either one of the DT and it would leave us with the choice in the top two DT or one of the above and the choice at the best running back……either way it goes down i really don’t see us taking the wrong player….
April 14th, 2008 at 1:16 pmexcept Matt Ryan….i think that even though BRodie may suck we need to build a line before we get either one of them killed
April 14th, 2008 at 3:47 pmIan Brennan, thanks for following that up. You said you don’t see us taking the wrong player in that situation… unless its Matt Ryan. Thank you sir, you’re hitting the point on the head. Let’s assume that Matt Ryan is a God, and will be a hall of famer. Behind our line, he will get nothing but hospital visits and severe headaches and paranoia after he retires. We need a little stability before we throw our multi-million gaurantee’d money QB behind center and let him prove himself. He ain’t gonna prove jack diddly squat unless we can block. It’ll be better than last year’s line, that’s for sure, but how much? We have to wait and see.
April 14th, 2008 at 8:21 pmEveryone wants to trade LJ and draft DMC but you dont realize the amount of money it would cost us to trade him, plus the fact that he is a better back than DMC, everyone was all hyped about Bush when he came out and we found out he wasnt worth taking that high in the first round. LJ is the man whether he has a bad attitude or not, i would prefer he have an attitude because he is a better player when he does. So it should go…
April 14th, 2008 at 8:37 pm1. Sedrick Ellis-No need to reach for Clady
2. Sam Baker-A guy that can play G or T
3. Jordy Nelson-Would be a steal in the 3rd Round
Anthony Crane - most people don’t want to draft DMC and trade LJ.
They want to have both
April 15th, 2008 at 12:11 pmDave, between Fox Sports, AA, Warpath and every other website that I read every day I have seen enough to know what I am talking about. Yes some people want both, but I think that would dig us in an even deeper hole.
April 15th, 2008 at 7:20 pmI am sorry but anyone that says to trade LJ has no idea what they are talking about.
April 15th, 2008 at 7:56 pmIt isn’t even plausible with his contract at this point. Maybe down the road, but not now.
April 15th, 2008 at 8:36 pm