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		<title>By: g.l.</title>
		<link>http://arrowheadaddict.com/2008/03/25/is-herm-upset-with-other-teams/comment-page-1/#comment-12171</link>
		<dc:creator>g.l.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, that should read &quot;players&quot; in the above post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, that should read &#8220;players&#8221; in the above post.</p>
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		<title>By: g.l.</title>
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		<dc:creator>g.l.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, Herm is upset that the naughty Bucs and Rams signed a couple of payers.  Ahem...........If I may be so bold as to paraphrase Coach Edwards, &quot;This is the NFL.  That kind of thing happens all the time.  Get over it.&quot;  For someone who is so big into &quot;toughness&quot; griping about the Bucs and Rams sounds suspiciously &quot;wimpy&quot; to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Herm is upset that the naughty Bucs and Rams signed a couple of payers.  Ahem&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..If I may be so bold as to paraphrase Coach Edwards, &#8220;This is the NFL.  That kind of thing happens all the time.  Get over it.&#8221;  For someone who is so big into &#8220;toughness&#8221; griping about the Bucs and Rams sounds suspiciously &#8220;wimpy&#8221; to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon/Dave, all valid points there for sure. I do disagree, however, with Demorrio Williams being on our &quot;C&quot; list. He was at least on our &quot;B&quot; list, because we brought in and signed him during the opening weekend of free agency. I think he might have actually been one of the guys on our &quot;A&quot; list, along with Brown and Faine. Demorrio is no Tickle Me Delmo.

Of course I agree that we&#039;ve otherwise totally blown free agency, though. Olive Hoyte is a Delmo, while Devard Darling is a good signing, but not a revelation by any means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon/Dave, all valid points there for sure. I do disagree, however, with Demorrio Williams being on our &#8220;C&#8221; list. He was at least on our &#8220;B&#8221; list, because we brought in and signed him during the opening weekend of free agency. I think he might have actually been one of the guys on our &#8220;A&#8221; list, along with Brown and Faine. Demorrio is no Tickle Me Delmo.</p>
<p>Of course I agree that we&#8217;ve otherwise totally blown free agency, though. Olive Hoyte is a Delmo, while Devard Darling is a good signing, but not a revelation by any means.</p>
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		<title>By: UCrawford</title>
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		<dc:creator>UCrawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon Y,

All a transition tag does is give the other team the right of first refusal on any contract offered by another team and accepted by the player.  We don&#039;t have to offer a compensatory draft pick for him if we sign him.  Considering that Pittsburgh reportedly had little cap room left (even before the draft) I don&#039;t think it would be a problem to snag him relatively cheap (two or three million).

He&#039;s not a great tackle, true...but he&#039;s young, so there&#039;s still room to develop, and moving him to guard is not out of the question either (and, last I checked, we still needed guards...and $2-3 million is not too much to pay for that position).  Given that most of our draft picks are going to be in the rounds where you&#039;re lucky to find players who aren&#039;t immediate roster cuts, we could do a lot worse than adding Starks as a starter somewhere until either a) he pans out or b) we find somebody capable of replacing him.  Frankly, I don&#039;t look forward to the prospect of having any of the line spots manned by a seventh-round draft pick who&#039;s not a legitimate starter just to save a few bucks and so that Herm and Carl can claim that they&#039;re great at finding good football players in the late rounds.  Whether you like the guy or not, that&#039;ll insure that Croyle never has a chance to become the QB of the future because he&#039;ll get killed...and then we&#039;re back to square one on drafting and developing a QB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon Y,</p>
<p>All a transition tag does is give the other team the right of first refusal on any contract offered by another team and accepted by the player.  We don&#8217;t have to offer a compensatory draft pick for him if we sign him.  Considering that Pittsburgh reportedly had little cap room left (even before the draft) I don&#8217;t think it would be a problem to snag him relatively cheap (two or three million).</p>
<p>He&#8217;s not a great tackle, true&#8230;but he&#8217;s young, so there&#8217;s still room to develop, and moving him to guard is not out of the question either (and, last I checked, we still needed guards&#8230;and $2-3 million is not too much to pay for that position).  Given that most of our draft picks are going to be in the rounds where you&#8217;re lucky to find players who aren&#8217;t immediate roster cuts, we could do a lot worse than adding Starks as a starter somewhere until either a) he pans out or b) we find somebody capable of replacing him.  Frankly, I don&#8217;t look forward to the prospect of having any of the line spots manned by a seventh-round draft pick who&#8217;s not a legitimate starter just to save a few bucks and so that Herm and Carl can claim that they&#8217;re great at finding good football players in the late rounds.  Whether you like the guy or not, that&#8217;ll insure that Croyle never has a chance to become the QB of the future because he&#8217;ll get killed&#8230;and then we&#8217;re back to square one on drafting and developing a QB.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Y</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Y</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Max Starks has a transition tag, that means he&#039;s going to be grossly overpaid. I still don&#039;t understand why everyone is obsessed with this guy. He had lots of opportunities to win the starting job in Pittsburgh and he lost it, because he&#039;s just not that good. Yet another clear example of a great athlete who has &quot;upside&quot; not because of what he&#039;s done on the field, but because of how fast and strong he is.

As for the comment on the A, B, and C list, I think that&#039;s highly inaccurate. It shows that the Chiefs had an A list (and I think it&#039;s inaccurate to say that these players &quot;slipped away,&quot; given Herm&#039;s complaints which I believe are legit given that Faine was signed hours after free agency started even despite expressing an interest in visiting KC). And Darling and Demorrio Williams represent a bit of a C list. See, Faine and Brown are very good players who deserve to be paid a lot of money. I would argue that the B list consists of average players that are grossly overpaid with A money because the A List was so small this year. The C list includes B list players who are making B list money. And then the D list are all the retreads who have no potential, no upside, and won&#039;t be paid anything. The Chiefs seem pretty intent on targeting a very select few people from the A list and trying to find as many people from the C list as they can find. Given the craziness of free agency, I think there are more people in the B list, so we&#039;ll just have to wait. I strongly disagree that the Chiefs &quot;let B list people slip away.&quot; The Chiefs never showed even a slight interest in Johnson/Hackett, therefore, they never got away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Max Starks has a transition tag, that means he&#8217;s going to be grossly overpaid. I still don&#8217;t understand why everyone is obsessed with this guy. He had lots of opportunities to win the starting job in Pittsburgh and he lost it, because he&#8217;s just not that good. Yet another clear example of a great athlete who has &#8220;upside&#8221; not because of what he&#8217;s done on the field, but because of how fast and strong he is.</p>
<p>As for the comment on the A, B, and C list, I think that&#8217;s highly inaccurate. It shows that the Chiefs had an A list (and I think it&#8217;s inaccurate to say that these players &#8220;slipped away,&#8221; given Herm&#8217;s complaints which I believe are legit given that Faine was signed hours after free agency started even despite expressing an interest in visiting KC). And Darling and Demorrio Williams represent a bit of a C list. See, Faine and Brown are very good players who deserve to be paid a lot of money. I would argue that the B list consists of average players that are grossly overpaid with A money because the A List was so small this year. The C list includes B list players who are making B list money. And then the D list are all the retreads who have no potential, no upside, and won&#8217;t be paid anything. The Chiefs seem pretty intent on targeting a very select few people from the A list and trying to find as many people from the C list as they can find. Given the craziness of free agency, I think there are more people in the B list, so we&#8217;ll just have to wait. I strongly disagree that the Chiefs &#8220;let B list people slip away.&#8221; The Chiefs never showed even a slight interest in Johnson/Hackett, therefore, they never got away.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy (Riverside, CA)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy (Riverside, CA)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 01:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nobody is cheatin with Shane O-livea!  I also remember a Justin Hartwig comin in too, any one cheat with him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nobody is cheatin with Shane O-livea!  I also remember a Justin Hartwig comin in too, any one cheat with him?</p>
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		<title>By: DJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 22:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave I think you are totally misunderstanding the quote.

The A-list was not necessarily the big name guys, with B-list being lesser, etc.

A were the guys they wanted most.  B were the guys you went after if the A guys were gone, etc.

For all we know Williams could have been on the A-list.  They signed him pretty quick.  Darling could have been on the B-list and Hackett and Johnson may not have been on the list at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave I think you are totally misunderstanding the quote.</p>
<p>The A-list was not necessarily the big name guys, with B-list being lesser, etc.</p>
<p>A were the guys they wanted most.  B were the guys you went after if the A guys were gone, etc.</p>
<p>For all we know Williams could have been on the A-list.  They signed him pretty quick.  Darling could have been on the B-list and Hackett and Johnson may not have been on the list at all.</p>
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		<title>By: UCrawford</title>
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		<dc:creator>UCrawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 19:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve harped on this point elsewhere, but I don&#039;t get the complete lack of interest in pursuing Max Starks.  He&#039;s young, a good athlete, and he fits a critical need.  He&#039;s a transition player, but Pittsburgh&#039;s up hard against the salary cap with Roethlisberger&#039;s new deal so it looks like a reasonable offer could get him for us.  Yet we haven&#039;t heard Starks mentioned at all.  I guess they figure they can do better with whoever the other teams get rid of on roster cutdowns...and considering the large number of talented young o-linemen in the draft there might be a free agent or two worth picking up who shake loose in the roster cuts.  The question is, if a decent player becomes available would they actually be willing to sign with the Chiefs, or even consider it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve harped on this point elsewhere, but I don&#8217;t get the complete lack of interest in pursuing Max Starks.  He&#8217;s young, a good athlete, and he fits a critical need.  He&#8217;s a transition player, but Pittsburgh&#8217;s up hard against the salary cap with Roethlisberger&#8217;s new deal so it looks like a reasonable offer could get him for us.  Yet we haven&#8217;t heard Starks mentioned at all.  I guess they figure they can do better with whoever the other teams get rid of on roster cutdowns&#8230;and considering the large number of talented young o-linemen in the draft there might be a free agent or two worth picking up who shake loose in the roster cuts.  The question is, if a decent player becomes available would they actually be willing to sign with the Chiefs, or even consider it?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest thing that I got from the Kansas City Star article is the A list, B list, C list.

Up till now everyone has been saying &quot;stay true to the Herm Philosophy of the younger no names type players.&quot;

Right there in the article Herm is admiting that he had an &quot;A list&quot; (Faneca/Faine) - then when we let them all go to other teams he had a &quot;B list&quot; (Hackett/Johnson)- again we let them go to other teams leaving us we the &quot;C list&quot; (Darling/Williams)

There is no excuse now as far as I am concerned - they knew there were some good players out there - they alwo knew they had plenty of money and yet we got none of them!

Getting C rate players before and soon to be after the Draft does not inspire me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest thing that I got from the Kansas City Star article is the A list, B list, C list.</p>
<p>Up till now everyone has been saying &#8220;stay true to the Herm Philosophy of the younger no names type players.&#8221;</p>
<p>Right there in the article Herm is admiting that he had an &#8220;A list&#8221; (Faneca/Faine) &#8211; then when we let them all go to other teams he had a &#8220;B list&#8221; (Hackett/Johnson)- again we let them go to other teams leaving us we the &#8220;C list&#8221; (Darling/Williams)</p>
<p>There is no excuse now as far as I am concerned &#8211; they knew there were some good players out there &#8211; they alwo knew they had plenty of money and yet we got none of them!</p>
<p>Getting C rate players before and soon to be after the Draft does not inspire me!</p>
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		<title>By: UCrawford</title>
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		<dc:creator>UCrawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not so sure we would have wanted Faine at the salary that he was asking.  He was young and talented, sure, but $6 million per with that much guaranteed money seems rather exorbitant.  As for Brown, we definitely didn&#039;t want him at the salary he was asking.  You pay top dollar for a premium kicker (and I&#039;m not sure Brown was even that) when you&#039;re competing for the Super Bowl...not when you&#039;re in the middle of rebuilding.  We&#039;ve got time to develop one now.

Although I stand by my belief that Justin Medlock was never going to develop.  When he can&#039;t even hit his field goals in practice you know the kid sucks.  The Rams had him on their roster when they signed Josh Brown, so I get the idea that&#039;s not only my perception.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not so sure we would have wanted Faine at the salary that he was asking.  He was young and talented, sure, but $6 million per with that much guaranteed money seems rather exorbitant.  As for Brown, we definitely didn&#8217;t want him at the salary he was asking.  You pay top dollar for a premium kicker (and I&#8217;m not sure Brown was even that) when you&#8217;re competing for the Super Bowl&#8230;not when you&#8217;re in the middle of rebuilding.  We&#8217;ve got time to develop one now.</p>
<p>Although I stand by my belief that Justin Medlock was never going to develop.  When he can&#8217;t even hit his field goals in practice you know the kid sucks.  The Rams had him on their roster when they signed Josh Brown, so I get the idea that&#8217;s not only my perception.</p>
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