wait until draft day, because we’ll all be watching and saying what the fuck are the Chiefs doing? – Like we do every year. Aside from our 1st pick, I’m not even going to watch because its going to be a trainwreck.
“Never heard of” isn’t Latin for “re-building” it is gm/coachspeak for CHEAP.

“As for Marino, Peyton won a Super Bowl, Tom Brady three, so no way I take him over those two.”

Marino’s only failing was that he couldn’t play all 22 positions and that Don Shula (great coach though he was) was a rotten GM who couldn’t assemble a defense or draft a decent running back. Nobody could have won a Super Bowl with those teams.

And, yes, games are won in the trenches. But Super Bowls are won because of who’s under center (Eli, Peyton, Big Ben and Tom). Over the course of the past five years, that is an undisputable fact.

To say SB’s are won with who is under center, and that’s not the case, especially last year IMO. Has nothing to do with the wonderlic test. The wonderlic has zero meaning when determining if a player can play quarterback or any other position. Where is Fitzpatrick now?

As for Marino, Peyton won a Super Bowl, Tom Brady three, so no way I take him over those two. I agree about taking him over Big Ben and Eli, though. If Eli wins again then I will take that back, and it is definitely possible he does. He won a Super Bowl and won more games on the road than any QB ever. I WILL build my team around that guy.

Ahhh…we’re not getting anywhere. looks like I’m going to the agree-to-disagree card. I put stock in the Wonderlic. Obviously, teams do to or the test wouldn’t be administered.

I could see the Baltimore Ravens really screwing up and taking Brian Brohm with their first rounder. They’re desperate for a QB and Ozzie Newsome has been a little off his game lately it seems. That would be a WTF!?! pick of epic proportions.

Ultimately, though, WTF!?! picks can’t really be predicted, otherwise they wouldn’t be WTF!?! picks

I’ll take Dan Marino (Wonderlic 15) over every one of those players you just named. He ran a complex offense with an often mediocre supporting cast and he was the only thing keeping Don Shula from going 4-12 or 5-11 every year after the Dolphins stupidly gave him control of player personnel.

As for Eli, yeah, he had a great 4 game stretch in the playoffs. In the 16 game regular season he also had 3,336 yards (12th in NFL), 23 TDs (11th in NFL) vs. 20 INTs (tied for most in NFL) with a 56.1% completion percentage (29th in NFL), threw for under 100 yards against the Dolphins and posted 6.31 yards per attempt (28th in NFL). Gosh…I’d sure like to build my team around that guy and his wonderful Wonderlic score.

By way of contrast, his brother has never thrown for a completion percentage that low (and hasn’t been under 60% since his rookie year), has never thrown so few touchdowns or for so little yardage, and actually decreased his interceptions thrown since his rookie year (Eli’s INTs have increased every season). Peyton is a great QB…Eli is an average QB who just happened to hit a hot streak at the right time.

I do like your read on the draft, though.

I’m hoping my scenario works out, mainly because I’m trying to stay optimistic without being insane…but honestly, since none of us work for the NFL (I’m assuming) we’re pretty much all just guessing so you may be right as well. Miami may decide to rebuild the offense first. Or Atlanta may decide that Matt Ryan’s not a franchise QB and take Jake Long to open holes for Michael Turner (although that would mean another season of Joey and Redman). Or the Raiders may take him just to piss us off because Al Davis is insane and nobody knows what the guy’s going to do. I just think that my scenario makes the most sense given the history and the situation of the people choosing ahead of us and it just so happens that it would be the best scenario for us. But then again I’ve picked KU to win the NCAA tournament every single year they were eligible…so I may not be the most impartial judge in predicting the future.