The Where’s The Beef Campaign
Obviously, the Chiefs have ignored our previous campaigns. As a result, this is our last-ditch effort and hopefully a campaign the Chiefs’ brass can’t ignore.
Here’s the deal: if the Chiefs refuse to add at least one starter-caliber offensive lineman through free agency, we are boycotting Arrowhead Stadium in ‘08.
It’s time for the Chiefs to show that they are just as interested in winning as they are in packing the seats with red. The Raiders’ catchphrase is “just win, baby,” and while they might be going about it the wrong way, at least Raiders fans know that Al Davis and Co. are sure as hell trying. Chiefs fans cannot say the same.
It’s one thing to ignore clamoring for players like DeAngelo Hall and D.J. Hackett. But ignoring the offensive line problem is similar to a raging alcoholic denying he has a substance abuse issue. I’m talking a straight-Jack-for-breakfast alcoholic, that’s how severe of an O-line problem we have.
If the Chiefs don’t go out and sign Floyd Womack, or Matt Lehr, or Max Starks, or Shane Olivea–a big, warm body with starting NFL offensive line experience–we are not going to the ‘Head next year. The Best Bros. have lowered our boycott demands as low as we can, and we suggest you join us in this cause. If the Chiefs legitimately believe that they can win with this offensive line they are delusional. If the Chiefs honestly believe that they can find three O-line starters in the draft when we also have holes at corner, defensive tackle, quarterback and wide receiver, then they are delusional. Maybe they aren’t delusional–maybe the Chiefs just don’t give a shit. That’s what really concerns me. Hell, with the renovations, Chiefs fans are currently spending more money on the team than ownership. Why should we pony up more?
The gauntlet has been thrown down. We’ll see how Clark Hunt and King Carl respond. If they even read this thing (we hear someone within the organization does monitor the top Chiefs sites, by the way). Stay tuned…
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Well I’ll be boycotting Arrowhead next season, but not voluntarily. Starting college out of state will limit me to maybe one or two games.
March 19th, 2008 at 3:03 pmhey..we wanna see some kinda moves..i sit here and i come to AA at least 4 times a day and i check almost every other site there is prayin i see us makin some kind of movement..needless to say its disappointing..devard darling..i love that pick up..ive been watchin him since college..but how bout our need..you know the one that protects our feild general..i mean..there are plenty o lineman still out there and anything is better than what we got..MAX STARKS..dylan gandy..chris liwiensky(no relation to monica so he probably doesnt blow)..seth mckinney..cory procter(hopefully not a gamble)..holy joe toledo…floyd"crack back"womack..i mean cmon chiefs..we need all the help we can get..its not like we had an even close to decent yr last season
March 19th, 2008 at 3:21 pmsorry that would be field general
March 19th, 2008 at 3:22 pmsomebody please tell mr. peterson he can only vote once
March 19th, 2008 at 3:33 pmWell, said! I am from CA so I can’t get out to the games. Maybe, (just throwing this out there), you start an on-line petition where Chiefs fans can come to this site and sign a petition indicating they want Olivea or Max Starks, due to the inavtivity and complete failure to add any O-line hope with experience. At least express their displeasure. KCSTAR would probably run a piece since it is a slow news time of year… It would give your site publicity and really let them know that we must do something with the O-line, especially if they are going to draft Ryan with the number one pick. My buddy used to work for a large paper out here in CA and they are always looking for interesting things to publish. Just make a call to the Star. Just throwing it out there….. Good piece I feel the same way.
March 19th, 2008 at 3:41 pmI’m cancelling my DirecTV NFL ticket, it’s a done deal. I’ve been a Chiefs fan since ‘86, and I can’t stand that we aren’t even bringing these guys in. Seriously, there is no way we can plug these holes in the draft. Olivea has been a starter, he’s young, let’s take a look. At least bring him to town!
March 19th, 2008 at 3:52 pmNewspapers won’t promote websites, unless its their own, its usually policy. I’m wondering if this boycott is just for tickets and entering the stadium, or does it include tailgating too?
March 19th, 2008 at 3:53 pmIt does not include tailgating, just not buying tickets and rewarding ownership for cheapness and inactivity. Tailgating is fine, and recommended. This isn’t a kiljoy, it’s punishing ownership by not padding their pockets.
March 19th, 2008 at 4:10 pmSo I can watch every game from my chair here in CA? lol.
March 19th, 2008 at 4:16 pmDo you like A, or B (B sucks, don’t choose B.) Nice poll, very unbiased. Its entirely possible that the Chiefs are lining up several trade partners depending upon who’s available. But not just trading for more picks, trading for players. I think we could get two O-lineman that fit the mold, young backups to compete to be starters, from a system that is particularly deep, say any team with a pick in the 15-25 range maybe even grab a late round pick, and viola, with one pick you have three O-linemen, and the rest of your draft is flex. I doubt this will be the exact scenario but I think we’ve been really lacking in creativity when looking at the Chiefs draft.
March 19th, 2008 at 4:25 pmThis boycott thing is a little wierd, shouldn’t you get a good look at the product on the field before declaring a boycott? What if you boycott them and they win like 5 in a row to start the season. I agree that none of us look at this team as it is and say that they are a contender, but no one would have done that with Cleveland last year 4-12 to 10-6, or New Orleans 3-13 to 10-6 in 2006. It happens to a few teams every year. You boycott and they find that spark that puts them on a tear, you guys become fair weather fans. I’m not saying don’t boycott, just do it when after you get a feel for the team on the field, given all the cuts, it will be a much different team.
March 19th, 2008 at 4:45 pmI will continue to not show up for games. It’s a bit easier living in Canada. Just a question for you guys: If the Chiefs never existed in the 2008 season, who would you pull for? No picking teams like the Colts or Pats cause thats boring, and no one should like the Pats in the first place. I think I’d roll with the Vikings. Could use some DE and LB help, and maybe a QB, but I think they’ll be a good team soon.
March 19th, 2008 at 4:48 pmFirst post.First, I want to say I fully support the IDEA of what the team is trying to accomplish. What I do not support is the idea that between what we have already, and what we will gain with our ten picks we can field a COMPETENT team. Not COMPETITIVE. Competent. I can accept that we may not be a contender for the next few years. That’s easy. What I cannot handle is the idea that a bunch of kids can come in, and turn this thing around. The Chiefs organization has to put some experience around these guys. They will learn from their coaches, but they’re coaches aren’t necessarily going to give them the same turoring that solid (even if not the greatest) experienced players can provide. We have to fill some gaps before the draft. I’m not even asking for guys like Bryant Johnson or Justin Hartwig or DeAngelo Hall. I’m happy with a couple of decent guys to be added on with some knowelege about the pro game. In no position can this need for experience be better stated than when it comes to the offensive line. An offensive line must be one cohesive unit. Just having Waters and McIntosh will not be enough. Besides those two, there is only 37 games of experience on the current group of lineman that we have. Not one of that group has a full season of experience under their belt. And this fact becomes two-fold when you’re dealing with a young, raw, and in-experienced quarterback. He’s got to have help. Just like last season Croyle won’t be able to prove a thing without some experience in front of him. And it actually looks like that "help" is going to be worse this year. Croyle might actually take a step BACK. This is not to say that Croyle is the answer at quarterback either, but we damn sure won’t know if we don’t put some "beef" in front of him.
March 19th, 2008 at 4:57 pmWell said KCMizzou, but I think a lot of folks forget that FA lasts well past the draft, and there’s a second wave of veteran talent that comes when teams over reach. That is when Herm has said they will fill the holes they need to fill if they didn’t get what they needed with young FA’s and draft picks. I admit they are slow in the FA market, but there are a lot of changes to be made before training camp. Everyone is up in arms over what could be a big deal, but may very well work out just fine.
March 19th, 2008 at 5:10 pmlets keep up the where’s the beef campaign!!!! then we can draft cromartie at five!! he’s shooting up the mock drafts and i really think the pats will grab him at 7. a couple of mocks have him going to them some to buffalo those say he’ll make them forget clements! that’s saying something
March 19th, 2008 at 5:10 pmCromartie is awesome, he was a force during senior bowl practice and the game, but he’s small and his question mark has been tackling, unfortunately not ideal for the Cover 2.
March 19th, 2008 at 5:18 pmI can certainly agree with you Jay. There will still be some skilled players even after the draft, and sometimes even because of the draft. Excellent point.
March 19th, 2008 at 5:19 pmYou know, though I’m from and reside in Southern California… I was ACTUALLY gonna take a trip to Arrowhead (while I was visiting my uncle) and watch our boys play The Chokeland Raiders… And as much as I love The City. As much as this team means to me… I will NOT be attending a game if they do NOT sign either one of these guys (preferably Olivea AND or Starks)… I know Clark is holding cash in his pocket cause of the rennovation to Arrowhead. And I’m also not cancelling out things like Jared Allen’s contract, ‘08 draft picks, and possibly seeing better Free Agents in next years FA period… But COME ON!!! I’m SURE we have money to sign a couple guys, AT LEAST ONE!!! We were a f*cking joke on offense. Guys, I would watch the games with my girlfriend… and I was down right embarassed! EVEN when I watched the game BY MYSELF! Like, why should we as fans feel this way, when our suits on the team can do SO MUCH more than the jerk off job we’ve been witnessing… AHH!!!
March 19th, 2008 at 6:17 pmWell, my boycotting doesn’t make me a fairweather fan, but just the opposite. I am willing to put the sake of the team over my own personal enjoyment. I’ve watched enough football to know that we aren’t contenders. If the Chiefs stay over .500 through the first eight games, hell, I’ll call the boycott off, eat more words, declare Carl right and us wrong. But that isn’t going to happen with all of our holes.
As for the second wave of FAs. Sure we know about it–it is evaporating before our eyes. Not much really gets done after the draft at all.As for DRC at five, that’s way too early. Chiefs fans need to start thinking Matt Ryan. I’m going to try like hell to start the movement. The article is coming, just had an annoying computer crash to deal with today…
March 19th, 2008 at 6:17 pmAdam… I cant consider myself onboard with the Matt Ryan campaign…. Theres no way we should just give up on Bro so quickly without a real shot… We saw what LJ could do WITH a nasty O-Line… And in contrast we saw what he was able to do with the horrid O-Line we had this past season. And it was disgustingly obvious that the big plays LJ had, HE developed HIMSELF… YET! We arent saying, oh draft another RB (Run DMC is not JUST a RB. He’s versitile) to take LJ’s spot cause he wasnt productive. No not at all. LJ is our guy. So why to Croyle Brush Off?? It’ll be pretty stupid to draft Matt Ryan… We have bigger needs and better uses for guys like Jake Long (need) Dorsey or Ellis (need) or Chris Long or V.Gholston (use)… And Adam, I’m not saying that Matt Ryan sucks. And or that he’d be horrible for the team. Hell, he’d probably be a great addition to the team… BUT Brodie Croyle hasnt had the fair shot. And from what we’ve seen Brodie has great potential.
March 19th, 2008 at 6:49 pmunless we started makin a move on some of the FA o-linemen out there you guys might as well drop the talk of draftin anything but with #5 ..we cant afford to go anywhere else with the pick unless things start gettin handled before the draft…and like i said before..if the line doesnt improve..we might as well pick up another RB for when LJ gets injured again..
March 19th, 2008 at 7:17 pmadam, looking at alot of mock drafts that were updated today several had DRC going at 7 lots at 8 10 and 11 so os it really such a reach
March 19th, 2008 at 7:17 pmadam, looking at alot of mock drafts that were updated today several had DRC going at 7 lots at 8 10 and 11 so os it really such a reach to grab him at 5??? or get the OL now and trade down to get him but i really think the pats will take him at 7 i love JLONG but really don’t think he’ll be there
March 19th, 2008 at 7:19 pmcan DRC come in and play left guard..right tackle..well then..save your breath bro
March 19th, 2008 at 7:21 pmwe don’t have a right guard either
March 19th, 2008 at 7:27 pmwho said BWaters isn’t going to be the left guard for sure also comesack it’s not going to make any diff if we can’t put any corners out there
March 19th, 2008 at 7:28 pmlol…well..if he can do it..im all for pickin him up at 5..lol
March 19th, 2008 at 7:28 pmi hear ya bro but if we cant protect the QB we are goin out there for nothing anyways..you dont get to the playoffs by postin ties..as far as the waters thing..i didnt mean anything..just throwin some examples out
March 19th, 2008 at 7:31 pmeven if we get an awesome line do you think the herminator will allow brodie/huard/thigpin/ryan really open it up? we’ll get KILLED by the pass all year long and we won’t be able to out score any one for sure
March 19th, 2008 at 7:32 pmWE NEED CORNERS
March 19th, 2008 at 7:34 pmyou dont get what im sayin..if..IF..they get linmen before the draft..im open to anything..ill be happy with whoever..especially DRC..but if we dont then thats our biggest need
March 19th, 2008 at 7:37 pmread comment #23 i get what you’re sayin thats what where’s the beef is about then we can draft DRC
March 19th, 2008 at 7:47 pmDude. Our O-Line situation is unbelievably discouraging… We have…………… Brian Waters and………… Well, we have Brian Waters. D-Mac is definitely an option at RT… but Not only did we miss out on Hartwig, but Wiegman looks to be headed to Denver (jerk)… We need to DESPERATELY revamp. If we were to sign Olivea and Starks, I’d be EXTREMELY happy! Cause then we’d have Waters, McIntosh, Olivea, and Starks, and hopefully Jake Long (or Otah/Clady/Cherilus)
March 19th, 2008 at 7:49 pmi see..well it seems some people in almost every one of these decide to come in and get off subject..im sorry and im glad we agree that they need to do something
March 19th, 2008 at 7:52 pmJason, DRC is a reach because there are 5-6 elite players in this draft and he is not one of them. That being said, at the five spot we have to draft an elite, Pro Bowl-level player.
March 19th, 2008 at 7:57 pmJason, recently i have watched extensive video on all of the top 8 CB’s in this draft, and although DRC is probably on average rated #3, I would place him at #1. The guys hips are like liquid, and he’s quite fast indeed. And after watching what I have, I would take him above Clady, Otah, and Ryan. I would not take him above Long, Dorsey, or Ellis though. And I would even almost lean towards DMC if he was available based on the circumstances that we drafted LJ.
March 19th, 2008 at 8:00 pmI may eat these words, but as I see it right now, Ryan is no where close to elite or probowl.
March 19th, 2008 at 8:01 pmThis is the stupidest, crybaby, foot stomping idea I’ve heard in quite some time. By all means, lets have the Chiefs bring in some guy no other team wants to take the spot a younger, ascending player could have just to make the crybaby fans who think they know more than the people who do the job for a living do.I hope you don’t go to Arrowhead. Go root for the Patriots or Colts if you can’t stand losing so much. To think the Chiefs are purposely trying to sabotage the season is preposterous. They have a plan and are sticking to it, you don’t understand it and you don’t have to. All you have to do is sit back and watch the game next year. Or don’t. It doesn’t make a difference at all.
March 19th, 2008 at 9:24 pmwow…sounds like the voice of mr. peterson…lol
March 19th, 2008 at 9:40 pmD.J., you’re entitled to your opinion, but from where I am sitting it looks like you are just one more Chiefs fan that has been duped into thinking that the Chiefs have this master plan and aren’t just being cheap. Pull the wool out from over your eyes and you will see that the Cheaps are more concerned with saving cash and renovating their cash cow stadium than winning.
We have a Chiefs site and are among their biggest fans. Getting sick of readers coming on here and challenging our fandom. Just because we love the Chiefs doesn’t mean we have to be Chief apologists. The true fans challenge their team when it isn’t committed to getting better. The Chiefs have to know how hungry their fans are for a winning product, and that we won’t just continue to have blind faith. No rooting for the Colts or Patriots here.
And by my count we have about five younger, ascending players on our roster. And, no, you can’t count Jarrad "Overrated" Page.
March 19th, 2008 at 11:11 pm” IF YOU CANT STAND LOSING SO MUCH ” umm yeah thats what were saying dude ! thats the whole point of getting some help in here ! come on get your head out of your ass ! we are talking about o line help here and im sure there is not one ”up and coming player "on the team that is better than starks or olivea !
March 19th, 2008 at 11:46 pmI doubt the Chiefs read your shitty blog. Especially when you can’t even spell players’ names correctly.
March 20th, 2008 at 12:19 amBy the way, they sure as hell don’t care if a couple of non-season-ticket holders don’t show up to a few games. Your "boycott" is cute, but ultimately meaningless.
March 20th, 2008 at 12:20 amI’d like to slap Tim with a booklet of season tickets and tell him to go make me a sammich. Probably a Faiders Fan. Or the South Park Timmmayyy.And is that DJ … Hackett? Or Dou-chie.Jerk?Feel free to delete this Adam but Tim’s "comment" pissed me off, I mean, there isn’t even a Chief’s name in this article to be spelled wrong? WHICH IS WHY WE ARE UPSET! Every free agent from Tier 1 down has went somewhere else. The question is WHY? We have one of the best RB’s, best TE if you ask me, an up-and-coming WR, an AA (African-American) head coach, decent defense… and according to King Carl, the best fans in the league. Why wouldn’t a player come here? One word…money. Otherwise, there’s something we don’t know and it bothers us REAL FANS enough to threaten a boycott.We can get into a ‘net flame war here….that’s fine, but that’s the true exercise in futility, not expressing our displeasure in our favorite team’s choices. I have to side with Adam here in thinking we are pocketing some cash this year due to the $150M renovation. According to Hoover’s the Chiefs list their revenue at $87M dollars. That’s probably minus TV revenue, but in a small market like KC and the Central US…well you catch my drift.Plus, if we are spending 150M…why not throw a roof on this joint so we can host a SuperBowl? A major arch. firm in KC is HNTB and built Invesco Field….just a 2 a.m. thought. I’m out.
March 20th, 2008 at 1:47 amI am 27 years old and in the USAF, and i follow the Chiefs online, but enough is enough. I am around so many fans for other teams and i see there excitement going into football season. Their teams have signed big time players, or have multiple draft picks, and seem to be getting better and better every year. But yet our Chiefs want so badly to stay the course, and be mediocre, but make a big profit. I am sure this was not Lamar Hunts dream when he purchased this team. How can you go an entire offseason ignoring obvious glaring needs. You have over $25m in cap money, and can’t sign one guy make one trade. Who do they think are paying for those renovations? Its obvious that Chiefs Fans don’t have a say in anything. I think boycotting next season is just a start. We need to hit them with numbers that really hurt. Lets start cancelling season tickets, stop buying there merchandise, and continue boycotting until they make the necessary changes and start listening to the fans. I am glad i am moving to England in Aug. I won’t have to watch our beloved franchise go further down the toilet.
March 20th, 2008 at 7:23 amwell said eric..id like to smack him with something else though..like my…c**k…we come here to read the latest news..and talk to others who feel the same way we do..we dont come here to say how we feel and what we would like to see just to have some d**k piss all over us like he’s some kinda tom brady..cmon mr. big stuff.. either silence yourself or get the fluck out..
March 20th, 2008 at 7:28 amWell Tim (AKA Mr. Rainbows), if you watch any sports chanels or read any sporting articles that happen to cover the events of the NFL, you will see that we here are not the only one’s who think the chiefs have gone bananas. NFL analysists are just as confused by this lack of effort as the fans are. Really, we are pretty much just as bad as the Raiders except the exact opposite. They spend way too much, we don’t spend at all. We both suck.
March 20th, 2008 at 9:58 amYou people make me sick. You bitch about the team being mediocre for years and now you bitch because they’re actually fixing it. Do you remember why the Offensive line sucked last year? DO YOU? Free agents. Turley, D-Mac, Welbourn, Terry. They built the line through free agency last year and look what happened. Now you are calling for them to do the exact same thing. They are just doing exactly what they told all of us they are going to do - build through the draft. That’s the right way to rebuild. Does anyone here think the Raiders will be better off than the Chiefs in 09 and 10? This is what rebuilding is all about. If the team goes 4-12 again next year, but has continued success down the road, fine with me. Free agents (for the most part) will only give the team short term success. Next season is better spent by getting the young guys playing time and developing them rather than benching them so a damn free agent that will be gone in a couple years can play during a season that will be mediocre anyway. Bottom line - if this strategy that you’re screaming for hasn’t worked for the last 20 years of this franchise, what in the world makes you think it will work now?
March 20th, 2008 at 10:38 amYes but:
Remember, Weigmann and Roaf were both off-season acquistions. I agree with you that some of the HOLES have to be addressed in the draft, but having 3 OL starters come from one draft is delusional thinking at best.There is no way we can be successful with 3 rookie OL. We are not asking for them to go out and sign 5 new OL. We just want one guy so we dont have to pray that by some miracle we draft 3 guys that can start.
I think bringing in a guy that is 27-30 years old is a good move and will give some competition to a unit that desperately needs some!
March 20th, 2008 at 11:31 amTurley- Dmac-Terry? Wow, yeah boy we went all out rebuilding that line. *rolls eyes* We want them to sign a good free agent, not some guy’s who’s only claim to fame was going apeshit throwing a helmet in disgust for the Saints… I actually do think the Faiders will be better off than the Chiefs if we are going by current track record. What are we gonna do…let LJ and Brodie get their faces smashed in and hope they can still walk in three years? TG will be gone and so will half our defense by the time this plan kicks in. The Faiders will have Hall and Run DMC, Walker,…Jamarcus, etc. They could be scary good as much as I hate to say it. Its much more likely they will self-destruct…we might have to get the Wolf on the field as he seems to be the only one that can bring anyone down last season.
March 20th, 2008 at 11:36 amScott, fans like you make me sick. WAKE UP, BUDDY. The Chiefs have taken the cheap route before on mediocre or over-the-hill FAs, and now they are taking the cheap route on a few young guys and, well, not spending any money whatsoever. The constant is that they are always cheap. Can you not see that, the rest of the league does, like bigchief13 pointed out. D-Mac is fine, and the rest of these guys are younger and better than the bums you mentioned.
Tim, I know for a fact that the Chiefs do monitor this blog. I also know that we have received a lot of praise and have been featured all over the blogosphere. I also know that we get 1,000-plus unique visitors per day. A.A. is a success, and we thank our loyal readers for that. If you don’t like it, then go elsewhere or start your own and see how far it goes. I doubt anyone besides your mother would read.
And if more fans start cancelling or selling their season tickets, boycotting, etc…., yeah, the Chiefs will notice. The only way to get their attention is through attendence, genius. And we were going to buy season tickets this year, before we went all cheapo, FYI. Not now.
March 20th, 2008 at 11:38 amWe still got love for you, Scott.
Tim? Not so much. Pretty much became our first comments execution. Well, other than that George Bush idiot from the WPI forums. Don’t hate–just start your own blog, baby.
March 20th, 2008 at 11:40 amOr become our intern. You spell well, or at least claim you do, and have the free time to nitpick. We’ll buy you Gates once a week and put your name on the "About" page. What do ya say, Tim? Intern?
March 20th, 2008 at 11:49 amAdam, sorry about the tirade. You guys do a great job with the site. You are correct about the recent crop being much better than the bums from last year. It’s just very hard for me to believe that there isn’t some kind of plan beyond all this madness. I will admit, it’s very frustrating to check the blogs every day and see no movement, but at the same time it’s refreshing to see the team do something different from what it’s been doing all these years. I have a lot of faith in Herm when it comes to player evaluation. He seems to have that nailed. Also remember that he is dedicated to youth. On that note, I don’t blame the O-line problems from last year on him, because I think he would have taken a much different approach. That was probably CP’s doing and he has actually admitted that the mistake was his. It seems that Herm has almost complete control with personnel decisions now. Therefore, I’m confident that whoever the team starts the season with, it’s a move in the right direction, albeit maybe not in the short term. If he’s calling the shots, I think we’re in good hands. As far as the team being cheap, I disagree. Gonzo and LJ have pretty lucrative contracts. Surtain and Law got paid way more than they were worth. Clark Hunt is not afraid to spend m