ChiefStock: Ryan Clady Shines During Pro Day
Yep, Redbeard favorite OT Ryan Clady really put on a show at Boise State’s recent Pro Day. As we all know, he’s definitely on the Chiefs‘ radar. The big question is whether or not he is a reach at No. 5. More from the Idaho Statesman (hat tip merlinnj):
Pro day attracted more than 50 NFL personnel from 30 teams to the Caven-Williams Sports Complex to time and test Clady and other former Boise State football players.
Clady ran his 40-yard dash in 5.18 seconds, unofficially. He showcased a vertical leap of 31 inches and a broad jump of nine feet. All three efforts would have placed him in the top 10 among lineman at the NFL Scouting Combine. The vertical was better than any offensive linemen’s at the event.
I have no idea what that means in a football context – the next time an offensive lineman is asked to jump nine feet in a football game will be the first time – but Clady seemed happy.
“I didn’t know I had that in me. Where did that come from? Must have been adrenaline,” said Clady, showing more emotion in interviews than at any point in his standout Bronco career.
Clady, who did not do the bench press Monday, showed no ill effects from the strained pectoral muscle that knocked him out of last week’s combine. During line drills, he showed the explosiveness and athleticism that brought scouts from around the country.
“Everyone, to a man, said he blew them away. He was extremely athletic, extremely quick,” his agent Pat Dye Jr. said after the session. “Quick hands. Quick feet. That’s what you look for in a great pass blocker and that’s what they pay people in this league at his position to do.”
I must admit, he’s looking pretty good. I still hope we can trade back to get him if that’s what we decide to do, though. That will be very hard to pull off–teams hate to trade up into the top five. Even Mel Kiper has said as much.
- Video: Boise State’s Ryan Clady at Pro Day – Idaho Statesman
I have been following him since the first day at Boise State and he is a stud……but everyone trust me on this one – he is not a top 5 value……how we could pass on a athlete like Dorsey, J. Long, C. Long, or D. McFadden for Clady is beyond me……there will be a few lineman when we pick in the top of the second round that are just as good….I love Clady, I really do – but he is not a "blue chip player"….and at 5 you pick "blue chip players"
March 5th, 2008 at 4:52 pmHas he done bench at all yet?
March 5th, 2008 at 6:23 pmClady , benched 225 only 24 times at the combine and he struggled to do that. Brady Quinn did 25 in last years combine.
March 5th, 2008 at 6:42 pmLOOK, at the picture on this page . He is holding…..
March 5th, 2008 at 6:45 pmhes comparable to levi brown last year- the second best tackle, might go at the 5th pick that would be a reach but to a team that desparetly needs offensive line help.
March 5th, 2008 at 8:15 pmGuys, if you are going to list facts, list them all. Clady had a strained pec that severely hurt his bench press at the combine. And all offensive linemen hold. That’s a fact. Some are just better than others at not getting caught.
And I’m not a big Clady supporter by any means–just keeping ‘em honest here.
March 5th, 2008 at 8:17 pmNot worried about his strength, his agility and feet are wonderful. He surely would have done without the injury. I do like him a lot, but he is not the #5 pick. Unless Jake Long drops to us, we are most likely taking the DT that slips to us.
March 5th, 2008 at 8:25 pmthe only DT that would make up for not getting a top left tackle would be ellis , because he would put the front seven of our d over the top, by a long ways….. and even if we draft him at five I dont care!!!!!!!!!!!!! (and yes adam holding is done on every single snap of the ball…), the way it is folks is that if we pass on claddy even if you think he is the second best tackle(hes not), then the best we could even hope for is to draft a second round tackle, who will most likely be the seventh left tackle taken this year…now given that, and knowing noone will most likely be the next william roaf, we damned sure wont replace him with the seventh left tackle taken this year…it doesnt matter how deep the draft is… if it did then lets give back BOWE and take the second round wideout that was still available last year…I really hope that that point comes across…
March 5th, 2008 at 9:09 pmand again start naming all the GREAT left tackles comming from a round after round one…let me know if you get over five of them… and please dont respond by saying we got shields from round three, guards and centers are different than left tackles….. most assuredly the Chiefs will draft a guard, and maybe even two guards on the first day this year… we can draft a starter at guard in round two…. or even round three this year…, but as for a left tackle this is the chiefs best chance to draft one… even at number five.
March 5th, 2008 at 9:13 pmAnd so people will know William Roaf wasnt the strongest left tackle when he came out… what he had was what Claddy has great footwork…and allot of speed to go with it… remember Hali was a great big reach for us his year and I doubt we want to give him back…(although we could have still gotten Hali in round two and already had our left tackle…)
March 5th, 2008 at 9:16 pmI still think Clady is better suited for the zone blocking scheme. Having said that, I would be ok with taking him at #5. He has good footwork and agility, two very important traits in a good LT. He looks, dare I say, thin for 311 lbs. If the Chiefs think he can get stronger and has some of the nasty attitude you need in a good run blocker, I will be satisfied with him in a Chief’s uniform (assuming Jake is not available)
March 5th, 2008 at 9:49 pmRedbeard has a point. Look back tp pictures of Roaf coming out–he looked skinny, too. Granted, I agree with others that he might be a bit of a reach, and also with merlinnj about zone blocking, especially running game-wise. At LT the main thing you want is a big, quick-footed monster who can protect your QB. I think he fits the bill. But, again, probably not at five.
March 5th, 2008 at 10:00 pmmerlinn , with what long did at the combine it is hard to see him still on the board… it is possable, but I cant see him slide, although I doubt the Rams draft him as they like the kid playing there now… but with long they would have two very good tackles so they could still take long as well. Claddy , is the best fit next to watters… long is way to , how to put it… technical… watters doesnt play well next to a tachnical type tackle… watters plays better when lined up next to a street player so to speak… and finding another gaurd who plays that way is easier to do… and I agree merlinn he is a zone blocker, but with the new system we will run there isnt any reason that would hurt him…. for the most part we will run a play action type offence. and our running will only help his pass blocking ability as it will the other linemen… I was a big faneca fan the only free agent lineman I wanted to have here… and since that doesnt look likely now, then I cant see drafting fadden… besides he is better than drafting something else and then getting the seventh best left tackle in this years draft…that leaves us with the same major problem we have had for the last five years… yes five, we have in those five years passed on three starting left tackles in the nfl today… any of those three would have allowed us a better leeway in this years draft, but changing coaches and styles have left us where we are right now… even if we dont trade down, he is the only choice which helps this team. unless Ellis is there.
March 5th, 2008 at 10:08 pmthere were rumors about trading jared allen but i hope thats not true..i think they need to trade off LJ and pick up mcfadden we could get some good outta LJ and if mcfadden lives up to the hype he would be a great addition ecspecially if we could get another good pick or a good o lineman for LJ..they gotta look towards the future..LJ is already wearin down
March 5th, 2008 at 10:18 pmlet me see… MU did beat the hell outta faddens team… hmmmmmm…lol… fadden is just the best RB this year they have a few next year and then look at last year… he isnt even close to peterson.
March 5th, 2008 at 10:29 pmit doesnt really matter what any of us think..we know what they need..they know what they need..and still every year..they dont go for what they need..last yr..bowe was a great pick..he did great for us..do you think we get that lucky two yrs in a row..we can only hope..i dont wanna see my team in the crapper for the next 5 yrs
March 5th, 2008 at 10:38 pmwho would you suggest would be a good #5 thats to anybody who wants to answer
March 5th, 2008 at 10:39 pmthen they should have drafted hugo… instead of bowe… all I am saying is that when the chiefs keep drafting star players with talent and dont bring in free agent linemen worth a crap…we become the next arizona cardinals…who now are even watching there great star players walk for other teams… Arizonas problem has been for the last twelve years that they have no o-line.they have recievers and runningbacks… and even the last couple years a QB… they have even had a few years with some good deffenses there… Yes I said it I would have given back BOWE for a starting TACKLE last year… and we wouldnt have seen all those LJ cry baby moments… because he didnt have holes to run thru… or the million sacks we gave up… even during our marty ball years we didnt have star talent at eight poss. and we made the playoffs… and yes this is the year the chiefs actually draft what they need… and without reaching for it… Claddy is the player we need and he is worth it.
March 5th, 2008 at 10:50 pmMatt, Claddy is a good number five pick. he beats out fadden, as fadden doesnt help, he cant do any better behind the same o-line as what LJ did. no way he could… ellis would be a great number five pick for us, but as with jake long I dont think either will be there. so I say Claddy matt
March 5th, 2008 at 10:53 pmi hope your right..i was just thinkin..we might not have long before LJ will be to worn down to do any good..it would be nice to have someone decent waitin in the back..what do we think about mr kolby smith..if we work on our o line now it would definately prolong losing Lj but i think the kids got potential
March 5th, 2008 at 11:07 pmI hear what your saying with fadden, but by drafting fadden and not bringing in any free agent linemen… nothing would be changing on our offense…(btw just ask these other guys LJ isnt my favorite running back)…
March 5th, 2008 at 11:27 pmi hear ya there..i seen on a few of the mock drafts that they have us goin d line..i cant see that at all..i hope not anyway..our d has definately gotten better..i think claddy would be good after watchin the video..a few of them have us pickin up booty in like the 4 or 5 round..redbeard..i like how you think..gimme some thoughts on exactly what you would like to see in the draft
March 6th, 2008 at 12:08 amDelusional if u think Clady is worth a #5 pick. He hasn’t faced stiff enough competition to be properly evaluated. Huge bust risk. Huge. If my vote counted it would be NAY
March 6th, 2008 at 1:06 amI said this so many times…but eh… What the hell… Our priority picks should be as follows… Jake Long- Glenn Dorsey- Sedrick Ellis- Trade with Dallas for the 5 pick (being Run DMC) Use Their 22nd and 28th pick on the next best OT and then on the next best CB (hopefully being DRC)… If not, then take Run DMC ( the heir to LJ’s throne). Just my .02 cents.
March 6th, 2008 at 1:31 ami think we trade l j to dallas for there 2 1st round picks and there 2nd and pick up run-dmc in our #5 pic and get the next best t at 19 and cb with 27 or 28 pick ! we want new faces then go all out ! we all know running backs are only good for 5 or 6 years anyway usually ! thats my opinion anyway !
March 6th, 2008 at 1:55 amAfter the combine, I’m nost sure Clady is the #2 Tackle in the draft anymore. Otah moved up the boards and so did Richardson. I wouldn’ t be surprised if Clady isn’t the second Tackle taken in the draft, let alone 5th overall. He’s not a top 10 talent.
March 6th, 2008 at 5:47 amI think ROC gets it about right. We can’t be reaching on players in a draft this top-heavy, we need to take the best player availiable.
March 6th, 2008 at 8:29 amI agree with the setiment that IF Jake Long is long gone (no pun intended…well, ok maybe a little) then the Chiefs have to trade out of it-if mcfadden is still on the boards–or take the best player available regardless of position. Most likley Ellis or Dosey, which ever one falls.
March 6th, 2008 at 8:32 amEven with a strained pec…I’ll bet he gets teased by his buddies about Brady Quinn benching more than him. At least Brady won’t be lining up against Clady! I’m ok if we pick him, but the Chiefs are NEVER influenced by what the media/fan consensus is. Our team is pretty unpredictable on draft day…its actually pretty exciting.
March 6th, 2008 at 8:41 amOur TOP Priority is Jake Long… csf69, there is no chance that we trade LJ, and Im NOT saying it simply cause he’s my favorite player to rock the red and gold, but because in reality… With Everything we went through with him last season, from the hold out to the injury, he’s been established as our franchise RB… PLUS, We’d leave a huge hole in our salary cap. We’re keeping him with our without drafting DMC
March 6th, 2008 at 9:52 amAnd in regards to Clady… I DONT think we take him at 5… To me thats a reach for a dude who isnt even ranked Top 10 overall players, a guy who isnt great at run blocking (which is what we need), and with a strained pectoral muscle… And as far as his injury, for an O Lineman, THATS a big deal… Thinking of a run blocking OT, makes me hope and pray that Jake Long is available at 5. Gosh.
March 6th, 2008 at 10:06 amIts Nice to see redbeard on the boards again.
March 6th, 2008 at 10:10 amI do not see us trading LJ or Jared nor do I see us drafing DMC. We could go D-line in the first, but I really want Jake or Clady at #5.
March 6th, 2008 at 10:11 ammerlinnj, we WILL go D-line. . . IF Jake isnt available… If Dorsey is gone, we’ll go Ellis. If we dont go Ellis and Herm, Carl, and Clark feel a little flashy, then we just might have DMC on our roster, and poor Kolby Smith as the #3 RB… Again, that is IF Jerry Jones DOESNT want DMC THAT bad.
March 6th, 2008 at 10:20 amWell you can all stop with the trade LJ to Dallas thing because Jerry Jones is in love with McFadden…not LJ
March 6th, 2008 at 10:22 amROC: I hear you, but I do not think I would do it. I would rather draft Clady then look for a LT late first or early second. I would rather have Clady and a good CB than have Ellis (who may not be there at 5 either) and say a Baker in the second.
March 6th, 2008 at 10:24 amI mean, this ofcourse is all just speculation… but I think Clady could be a good RG for us, but not our franchise LT… I DO like Sam Baker, but if we go Baker in the 2nd round, we’ll miss out on the best CB’s in the crop.
March 6th, 2008 at 10:29 amchiefssuperfan69 Says:
i think we trade l j to dallas for there 2 1st round picks and
March 6th, 2008 at 10:32 amthere 2nd and pick up run-dmc in our #5 pic and get the next best t at
19 and cb with 27 or 28 pick ! we want new faces then go all out ! we
all know running backs are only good for 5 or 6 years anyway usually !
thats my opinion anyway !You are dreaming man…the Cowboys would ahve to suddenly become retarded overnight to go along with that – no one, and I mean no one, is worth 2 1st round picks and a 2nd round pick – not even Tomlinson. If we get Dallas’ 2 first round picks, it’s because we gave them our #5 pick.
Whatup Dave… Now I KNOW we wont trade #27 (it’d be a sad day)… but 1 thing I alsn know is Jerry Jones has BEEN in awe of LJ… We found that out a couple seasons ago when he tried to steal him from us… Oh, its a horrible thought to imagine LJ in a Cowboy uniform. . yuck.
March 6th, 2008 at 10:33 amIts good to hear from you again Redbeard…even though we disagree on Clady…..My #1 choice would be Jake Long, not even a question there….My #2 choice would be to trade down with Dallas to get multiple picks in the first round as well as additional picks in the 2nd/3rd….My #3 choice (and this is for you Redbeard) would be to have a team "like" the Cinncy Bungels to trade up for a dorsey/ellis and then allow us to take Clady (who I do like) at a "valued spot" around #10……My #4 choice would be to just keep a Dorsey if he falls because of the dominance he would show on our D-Line…….and my last choice would be to keep DMAC when he falls because when a Athlete like that falls in your lap you take him and find a way to use him – Please Chiefs don’t REACH…..You proved me wrong with Bowe….The Jury is still out as far as I am concerned with Tamba…..Take the best player….Oh, and wake up in Free Agency for heavens sake
March 6th, 2008 at 10:39 amDon’t worry ROC…….the Chiefs need him as much as he needs the Chiefs…..our favorite player "ain’t" goin nowhere
March 6th, 2008 at 10:41 amI don’t think we have to worry whether or not Dallas is wanting Darren McFadden, there will be several other teams between the Chiefs and Dallas that might have an interest in acquiring his services…
March 6th, 2008 at 10:45 amIf Jake is gone, I think DMac will still be on the board unless someone REALLY loves him and wants to jump up ahead of the Chiefs. Now that Atlanta has signed Micheal Turner, I don’t see them drafting him. I think the Rams, Falcons and Raiders will all have an opportunity to trade out of their pick with someone who wants mcfadden. The most likely might be Oakland. Look at the money they paid/wasted on Russell last year, and now all the money they have doled out to middle of the road FA’s. They might not want to pay a rookie the kind of money the 4th overall selection is going to cost them.
March 6th, 2008 at 10:47 amNice Comments Dave… But theres one thing I gotta oppose… dude. . . I dont know if I want Clady on our line at all… Needless to say… I’m a Jake Long guy. But I like Otah, Williams, and even Baker more than Clady… Call me a hater, but nothing really pops out at me when I see the guy on film.
March 6th, 2008 at 10:49 amStevenh – you nailed it on my one concern……I am already hearing that the Raiders are trying to trade down…I would love for it to be the Chiefs to do the trade but I am afraid that the Raiders are holding the better cards at this point
March 6th, 2008 at 10:51 amAnd man I JUST imagined Glenn Dorsey in Arrowhead, rocking the red and gold, sacking the crap out of his ex QB Jamarcus R…. And getting super pumped like he always does…. Wow, Its a beautiful thing.
March 6th, 2008 at 10:54 amROC27 – I have watched every game the guy has played and he is a HUGE Talent…whether or not we get this guy we will be hearing his name in the years to come…..you are dead on though on the run blocking…..He is a legit pass blocking "left tackle"….there isn’t many lineman that you can say that about so that is a huge plus for him…..but it is so tuff to grade out the run blocking and I am not going to try….I personally think he has what it takes there and the scouts seem to think the same….My only problem with Clady is if he is worth a top 5 selection and I still say NO……..anyways my whole point Roc is it wont be the end of the world if we take him because he is that good….I just believe that there are better options at 5 ….take a tackle in the second……and yes I disagree with you redbeard that if you don’t take a tackle in the first you will be left with jack @%$^ in the second
March 6th, 2008 at 10:59 amWell, IF Oakland trades down, then teams like Houston, Chicago, Tampa Bay, and a couple others are the teams that could use a talent like Run DMC
March 6th, 2008 at 11:00 amHey ROC – I really like Dorsey…..I have a funny feeling about him….I haven’t figured it out yet….but man I am sure watching him……he could be a huge factor on our Defense…..anyways, again this just confirms that we are in a win/win situation as far as I am concerned sitting at the #5 spot
March 6th, 2008 at 11:04 amWell, whether or not we take Clady… He isnt a Top 5 pick. I agree. We need to take the best talent available, whether that be Dorsey, DMC, or Ellis… If we’re not trading for Dallas’ 2 1st rounders… Then we’re STILL getting the best talent available at TWO positions later in the round.
March 6th, 2008 at 11:07 amHere is a very possible scenario that I don’t think anybody has presented. What if the 1st 4 picks are the 2 Longs, Ellis and Dorsey and nobody wants to trade up with KC? I’ve thought about and looked at A LOT of draft scenarios, what we are (not) doing in free agency, and have to come to conclusion that our 1st pick absolutely must be OT or CB and our second pick either OT, CB, or OG (but only if Albert is still available).
So, if we go with somebody like McKelvin or DRC with our 1st pick then we need to take the best available OT which could easily be somebody that is not that good. A lot of teams need offensive tackles and because of that, there could easily be run on them in the 1st round, leaving a poor selection of choices in the 2nd.
On the other hand, I do not think it is as likely we’ll see a run on CBs and when it comes to CB, all we really need is somebody who can play cover 2.
All considered, if we can’t trade down, then I don’t see any smarter, safer choice than selecting the best available LT with our first pick.
March 6th, 2008 at 11:53 amMatt Ryan is also not an option unless we are prepared to have another season like the last one.
March 6th, 2008 at 11:55 amWhat I meant to say in my 1st post was that if we take a CB with our 1st pick, we’ll need to take the best available OT with our 2nd pick . . .
March 6th, 2008 at 11:56 amIf we take a CB with our first pick and it is the #5 pick…..then I am done with the Chiefs
March 6th, 2008 at 12:00 pmI like Double D’s scenario (Post 51). It seems realistic, and we may just have to take Clady. What I find amusing is that most people/mock drafts say he is a reach at five, but then when he is taken 7th by the Patriots there is no mention of a reach. Two spots is hardly a reach. GO CHIEFS!
March 6th, 2008 at 1:19 pmI wouldn’t mind seeing Clady on our team, IF we could trade down even a couple spots to get him. I don’t want to be paying an ‘above average’ player ’superstar’ money, (for a top 5 pick) when we could get a ’superstar’ for ’superstar’ money. Think about it folks, either way it pans out, there’s talent left to be had. C. Long, J. Long, D.Mac, S. Ellis, G. Dorsey, hell, even Ghoulston is touted to be a top 5 pick. Count ‘em, that’s 6 right there. We pick at what? Correct, 5! So at least two of those players are going to be left on our draft board. I like Vernon Ghoulston, and think he’d make a great 3-4 End/Backer ‘tweener’, but I don’t think he’d fit THAT well with our system. Even giving that, that leaves at least one of : A top tier Tackle, a homerun hitting RB (who would also be possible tradebait), a gamechanging DE, and last but assuredly not least, a pair of top-end, dominating DT’s. Boys…. I’d be happy to get any one of these. We can come up with all kinds of scenarios on how the draft will turn out; we can mock draft it to death.. The point is, noone can ever call it perfectly because you never know what kind of trades will happen, a top 10 guy will slip to 20, or someone will take a Ted Ginn Jr. type guy a bit too early. I dunno ’bout you guys, but I just have a good feeling about this draft. There’s so much talent –at the positions we need it at– that if Carl Peterson can’t get some of it, I will seriously go drop kick him in the nuts. So yeap, if we have a horrible draft, I’m going to need one of you guys to distract CP’s personal bodyguard for me while I perform the drop kick, and also another one of you to have the get-away car ready to roll. But let’s hope it doesn’t come to that.
March 6th, 2008 at 2:10 pmD. Rhoades just restructured his contract which completes the backfield for the Raiders – they are officially out of the McFadden watch……Miami – nope…St. Louis – nope….Atlanta – nope…….Raiders – nope…..Chiefs?????…….The other thing I get from this is the Raiders might already have a trade partner….think about it – there are two things they needed and two things that would have been there for them RB & DT…..they fill both of those needs through free agency……now if they stay at 4 what are they going to do…..unless they are planning on having C Long or V Ghoulsten they are wasting the #4…..I really think someone is going to trade ahead of the Chiefs to get DMAC…..question is who?
March 6th, 2008 at 2:20 pmI saw some comments about King Carl. As far as I know, when it comes to the draft I believe Bill Kuharich and Herm Edwards make the calls. Carl is really just involved in how much money we can spend at this point it seems. My guess is that he will even switch job titles next year after his contract is up.
March 6th, 2008 at 2:53 pmI agree xxxlp, and Adam, Herm and Bill have been doing pretty well the last two drafts, so I have faith in them. Additionally, Charley Casserly reported that teams during February spend all their time on Free agents and College scouting. Since we did not do the same, ie spend a lot of time on Free agents, we have more time to spend on the draft, so I am sure the Chiefs will be more ready than ever for the draft, because they have to be. We just have to TRUST them, we have no other choice. TRUST THEM!!! TRUST THE CHIEFS!!!!
March 6th, 2008 at 3:17 pmNot sure trust is the right word given their past. I might roll with "wish" or "cross our fingers" instead.
I do like Bill Kuharich, though. That guy is on point. Chuck Cook seems to be a pretty good scout as well.
March 6th, 2008 at 5:20 pmDave I am still waiting for you to name the GREAT left tackles taken after round one… when people can name five then I’ll change my mind… so yes I still believe we have to dissagree on this… I cant see any left tackle after the top seven being a great tackle this year… can you tell me who is the great tackle in the second… even with our high second rounder, we wont get near the talent of a Claddy… with a very possable six left tackles being taken in the first round… it would leave us with a left tackle who we have to use on the right side, or a bench tackle.
March 6th, 2008 at 5:57 pmand roc… we only have maybe three corners in the top ellite type caliber this year, and they will be gone by mid first round… if we draft a second or even third round corner this year he will most assuredly be a nickle man.
March 6th, 2008 at 6:00 pmWe have to remember, we brought in a new man on the off. and he calls the shots… he had a plan, and convinced the herms and carls he could do it… and how… to me it comes down to what the chiefs have done so far in and along those same lines…and what we have seen is chopping the o-line and tossing them to the side… given we have a wideout a tightend…and running backs… o-line is it… and with four good picks this year two virtually top fourty players… and then the extra from the third… it is very likely we draft two o-linemen… and we can have two starters by the time we have picked or second selection, or even after our third pick…
March 6th, 2008 at 6:14 pmI personally think we go left tackle round one, wideout round two, and guard round three, with a deffensive lineman or a linebacker as our last pick of round three.
March 6th, 2008 at 6:16 pm#1 – Flozel Adams – Dallas Cowboys ……. taken in the second round #38 overall
March 6th, 2008 at 6:42 pm#2 – Chad Clifton – Green Bay ……taken in the second round #44 overall
March 6th, 2008 at 6:49 pm#3 – Matt Light – New England Patriots …….. taken in the second round #48 overall (getting nervous yet – he is only the 5th person I have looked up so far)
March 6th, 2008 at 6:55 pm#4 – Marcus McNiel – SanDiego Chargers ….. taken in the second round #50 overall (by the way if you haven’t figured it out yet they all played in the probowl this year so dont give me any crap about McNiel)
March 6th, 2008 at 7:00 pm#5 – Jason Peters – Buffalo Bills …….. Undrafted Rookie free agent (I know, he is not a big name yet – even I would agree with that…I only bring him up to show you the number of Pro Bowl LT’s this last year that were not #1 draft picks….that is just one year – do you want me to go back farther?)
March 6th, 2008 at 7:08 pmI will these are not GREAT left takles… can you honestly compare them to roaf?
March 6th, 2008 at 7:10 pmbtw John Alt was better than the people you have mentioned…
March 6th, 2008 at 7:11 pmyour naming starters… none of these to me are GREAT left tackles, you may as well name Black in with these players.
March 6th, 2008 at 7:13 pmthe other thing that bother me is that people over look howies kid being there for us… his being on this team by far would help us more than would fadden, as he could share time… on this d-line
March 6th, 2008 at 7:15 pmyour also showing me probowlers, not hall of famers…
March 6th, 2008 at 7:16 pmTo say Matt Light is a great left tackle is a stretch , He had his a$$ handed to him by everyone that was in front of him in the superbowl.
March 6th, 2008 at 7:19 pmFinding a probowler after round 1 is nothing to cry about. Good list I think, and I’m sure there are way more out there if you research it a bit. Some of those guys may even become hall of famers at some point, who knows.
March 6th, 2008 at 7:47 pmI would think that if we drafted a Tackle this year and he went to the ProBowl you would be satisfied, but no I guess that they would have to be a Hall of Famer to impress you…unbelievable….look, all I did was show you how easy it was to find a great LT not taken in the first round of the draft……Heck, all it took me was one year of the probowl…..Now if you feel like claiming that you can predict Clady going to the Hall of fame than be my guest.
March 6th, 2008 at 7:50 pmHey Redbeard – I did this thinking you would get a kick out of it…..I mean you did call me out……I thought ProBowl was good enough…..I was at work and took just a half an hour – now I am at home and if you want me to get serious about it I guess I could really prove my point…….How about we just agree to disagree
March 6th, 2008 at 7:55 pmI think the chiefs definately need to bring in some help on the O-line through free agency. The line is looking ugly. Almost anyone out there in free agency could start somewhere on that line. And I don’t think the cheifs can expect to pick up o-line starters (for next year) through the draft this year. Claddy is too early at 5. It would be wise to take either Dorsey or Ellis. Dorsey is much better, but his injuries are kinda sketchy. I doubt Jake Long will be available. Chris Long – nope. I think the first 5 will go: 1. Miami – C. Long (Parcells loves guys like this) 2. St. Louis – J. Long 3. Atlanta- Matt Ryan (I would hate for the chiefs to get ryan. I think he is overrated) 4. Oakland- DMC (they did re-sign their other rb’s, but they suck. Would be crazy not to go with DMC) 5. Chiefs – Either DT, I don’t care I like them both. This is the smart move, taking the best talent available. Herm talks about that a lot.I’d love for the chiefs to trade out and take an OT and then CB late in the first followed by a WR in early 2nd. I doubt this will happen espessially since I think DMC will be gone at #4. As far as trading LJ, not going to happen. I think it would butcher the salary cap.
March 6th, 2008 at 8:05 pmGood thoughts bigchief13 – I agree with most of what you say….especially the part about taking the best talent available…I do disagree though on the part about no one in the draft could start this year…..this is the deepest draft for OL in years and years – you don’t have to be a scout to see that one……You could easily draft a Tackle in round one a Guard in round two and a Center in Round three and have all three start from day one……by the way thanks for backing me on the Pro Bowl LT list….I think we all would be happy if we owned the OL at the Probowl like a couple of years ago
March 6th, 2008 at 8:18 pmI guess what i meant to say is that with the amount of holes on our line, it would be extremely unlikely to fill them all with rookies, who not only make the team, but end up winning starting jobs. If some do happen to get starting gigs, how likely is it that two or three of them will actualy play GOOD enough (as in better than a turley or welbourn, although that does not seem difficult) in that starting roll. And I do think we will need two-three spots filled. What I am getting at is that I think picking up some help through free angency was and still is a must.
March 6th, 2008 at 8:50 pmBigchief13- I just don’t see any free agent transactions for the Chiefs. Herm lives and dies by the draft. We should know this by now. This will be his third draft and 6 out of 22 positions are filled with players that he drafted. (Hali, Page, Pollard, Croyle, Dowe, Turk/Tank) This number may even jump up if you add the undrafted FA’s and others that he drafted that could win starting spots or share substantial amounts of time. (Brackenridge, Niswanger, Taylor, Smith, Allan) Herm loves the draft more than Christmas. I think he knows this will be his team after next year. So he’s building a team that he will want to be proud of. I see us most likely taking Ellis/Dorsey. After the end of the year, they had an article in the Star about Anthony Collins, and it was stated that the Chiefs were extremely interested in him. I just hope we rebuild our O-Line before anything.
March 6th, 2008 at 9:03 pmRedbeard – If you want to talk HOF instead of Pro Bowl then here we go, as far as I can tell there have only been 17 tackles taken in the enitre history of the HOF and (9total or 52%) have been after the first round – Jackie Slater, T, Jackson State – 3rd Round (86th overall) by Los Angeles Rams……Dan Dierdorf, T, Michigan – 2nd Round (43rd overall) by St. Louis Cardinals…….Rayfield Wright, T, Fort Valley State – 7th round (182nd player overall) by Dallas Cowboys……..Forrest Gregg, T, Southern Methodist – 2nd Round (20th overall) by Green Bay Packers…….Roosevelt Brown, T, Morgan State – 27th Round (321st overall) by New York Giants………Bob St. Clair, T, San Francisco, Tulsa – 3rd Round (32nd overall) by San Francisco 49ers………Mike McCormack, T, Kansas – 3rd Round (34th overall) by New York Yanks…..Lou Creekmur, T, William & Mary – Selected by Detroit Lions in the second round of a special draft……Frank "Bruiser" Kinard, T, Mississippi – 3rd Round (18th overall) by Brooklyn Dodgers……Put that in your pipe and smoke it!
March 6th, 2008 at 9:51 pmthat is just up to 1990 – more to come
March 6th, 2008 at 9:55 pmdave, you are an animal. donovan: to expect 2-3 rookie starters on our line to be good this year is unrealistic. Croyle might end up jumping off a bridge. Even guys picked as high as D’Brickshaw struggle in their first year. I love the idea of anthony collins though, and he should be there in the early 2nd. Dorsey (although I dig Ellis’ beard), then Collins would be nice. And if anyone can spot talent at CB in Rd 3 and later it’s probably herm, so I would feel good about that. Wr’s can be found later too.
March 7th, 2008 at 8:04 ama bit off topic, but why did we not re-hire Al Saunders? I hate the Chan signing.
March 7th, 2008 at 8:07 amdont think him and carl got along to well ! he wanted head coaching job or more money ! you know the chiefs …lol !
March 7th, 2008 at 8:24 ambrutal. he could have come in handy last year. damned predictable boring offence. we need some creativity. not 3 and kick every series.
March 7th, 2008 at 8:58 amAnd THAT my friends is WHY Dave Is my #2. The dude knows his stuff… Good Job, D… Now about this Hall Of Fame VS Pro Bowl talk… Like Dave said, NO ONE is gonna be bitching when we watch the Pro Bowl and see KC arrowheads on the sides of the entire STARTING Offensive line’s helmets of the AFC… So, at THIS point… Who gives a sh*t if we draft a HOF’er?? What matters IS are they good? Can they protect the QB? Are they paving a way for LJ to run? Or are they simply fat ass roadblocks… Guys (readbeard) get your minds right.
March 7th, 2008 at 9:42 amLike, How does it go from, “We need a LT.” to “We need a GOOD LT.” to “We need a PRO BOWL LT.” to “We need a HALL OF FAME LT.” DUDE! Its hard enough finding a GOOD LT! Lets take it a step at a time… is LJ going to the HOF? No…. Maybe If he gets that motor going and never stops… but again… He’s our franchise RB… He’s our guy… Now, No One complains about whether he’s going to Canton, Right?
March 7th, 2008 at 9:50 amThats not to take anything away from him… Cause EVERYONE here knows LJ is my boy… To ME, he’s In the Top 3 RBs who has ever put on a KC uniform… But he NEEDS to get it going again… He needs to break 2,000. . . Now, Someone mentioned Oakland taking McFadden and Us drafting Dorsey or Ellis . . . Im not all that sure about that…
March 7th, 2008 at 9:59 amOakland threw a huge chunk of change at 2 players (Kelly and Walker) AND re-signed BOTH their RBs AND STILL have LaMont “Cry baby Cry” Jordan… They gave Jamarcus Russell a nice pay day… Not to mention, Warren Sapp retired… Kelly isnt replacing Sapp. So, If they dont trade down, they may take Dorsey or Ellis. They need to get their run Defense a lot better… and what better way than 1 of these 2 guys.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:05 amSo In MY opinion… the draft MAY look like this MIA: C. Long – STL: J. Long – ATL: Matt Ryan – OAK: Sedrick Ellis – KC: Endless possibilities. . .
March 7th, 2008 at 10:11 amBUT! Remember guys… IF Miami trades outta that 1st spot, its cause another team wants “you know who” , Run DMC… SO! That MAY change the whole picture for St. Louis as they just might want the OTHER Long (Chris)… ATL doesnt change, but OAKLAND MAY be the threat to take Jake Long… Lets not forget the crazy stuff that happens draft day.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:15 amto add to the list, Art Shell – 3rd round, Roman Oben – 3rd round, Tony Jones – UFA. Even so, Redbeard is essentially correct in saying that the great tackles are almost always first round picks. I agree that if we can’t get Jake Long, and we can’t trade down, then we absolutely must use our 1st pick on the best available LT which, as far as I can tell, would be Ryan Clady.
March 7th, 2008 at 10:26 amBy the way, loving this thread. I’m going to go on record and say that we can get a damn good LT early in the seoncd this year. Cherilus, Ryan Collins, etc…guys like that will be there. I think four running backs, maybe five, will go in the first round and help our cause. I also think Brohm and Flacco will both go in the first round most likely. Love ya Beard, but I’m with Dave on this one.
March 7th, 2008 at 11:39 amYeah. Sure, We have a need at LT, BUT not so much to reach THAT far for one in the 1st round if Jake isnt there… Im on that “Best Available Player” high right now… and if we get that trade offer from Dallas, then we take it and get redbeards 1st round LT in Otah And some.
March 7th, 2008 at 12:03 pmRead comment #56. . . toward the end, xxxlp pretty much sums it up. . .by taking the best available talent, ISNT gonna hurt us… its gonna make THAT specific part of our team that much better… and lets face it, boys… DT, OT, CB, and maybe a #2 RB, IS what this team needs and OR CAN use (Run DMC).
March 7th, 2008 at 12:11 pmWe don’t need a HoF LT right off the bat, a Pro Bowl tackle would be nice, but it’s not a requirement. Right now I’d be extremely pleased with an ‘above average’ guy on the LT spot. D-Mac might have been an above average guy, barely, but he was nagged by injuries during the season, and just wasn’t up to par for the left side. And Redbeard thinks that C. Long will fall to us? You seriously think that would happen? Besides Jason Taylor, who do the ‘Fins have at DE? Probably can’t think of it off the top of your head, eh? Me neither. Chris Long + Jason Taylor = terrified QB’s on opposing teams for at least this season. After that Jason may retire, and Chris Long will step into the role he had, it’s about a perfect fit for the Tuna. Who knows, but I seriously doubt he will be here by the time the Chiefs get to draft, but if he is, I hope we snatch him up quick. We’d have 3 potential pro-bowl players at DE, and could use Tamba (who I think would lose out to Chris Long in the offseason) as the Giants used Tuck, on 3rd downs, we could have Allen, Boone, Hali, Long. All four of them can and will get pressure on the QB. Doubt it would happen, but it’d be nice. And on a sidenote: Does anyone else find it funny that while Redbeard is quick to bash others, and is a vehement supporter of Ryan Clady’s, he STILL after all this time, and all these posts, spells his name wrong? I can see not using proper grammar all the time, this isn’t English 101, but if you are going to be the self-proclaimed champion of a player, at least spell it correctly.
March 7th, 2008 at 1:57 pmIf you guys do recall, Chan Gailey was the one responsible for Kordell Stewart… So Chan might be extremely interested in a guy like McFadden due to his capabilites of playing a number of positions. I agree with what Jason Whitlock said when he proclaimed that he was disappointed at first then realized that we signed an accomplished Coordinator. I think he might enlist some plays that will shake up the image of the Run-Run-Screen Chiefs. This draft is going to be key for offense. There is an endless amount of talent. I would not be surprised to see our first three picks on lineman or atleast or 2nd and 3rd picks.
March 7th, 2008 at 2:06 pmxxxlp, I thought JUST THAT the other day… We COULD use a “high motored”, Justin Tuck, sort of guy, and who better than Tamba Hali… So, if thats the latest trend… Then if Chris Long isnt there, do we look at Gholston? (YOUR thoughts, please…) . . . Donovan, My Man! THATS a Great point and possibilty… Plus, you know that while Chan was coaching in College, he saw DMC and probably thought to himself, “My God… What I’d do for a player like that. . “
March 7th, 2008 at 2:38 pmAnd just a .02 cent comment on Ryan Clady… Look, the kid KNOWS he’s not going Top 5… And he knows that if, by a slim chance, if he does, he’d be going to Kansas City. . . so, if he has an agent. . . He BETTER be tellin’ Herm that Clady can freakin’ walk on water or something.. . . that IS IF he want TOP 5 dollar.
March 7th, 2008 at 2:44 pmRoc- yeah, after watching what Tuck has done at his tenure with the Giants, I’m kind of excited about our possibilities, Turk McBride, as much as people seem to bash him, had a decent rookie year, and he’s a DT/DE tweener type, if anything, he can be used at one of the DT positions on 3rd down, a la Tuck. Vernon? I still think he’s better in a 3-4 (DaMarcus Ware, Terrell Suggs type guy) but would I like him on our team? Hell yeah. I think he could be used the same way Jason Taylor is in Miami (and no, I’m not comparing him to Jason Taylor in any way, Taylor is a perrenial pro-bowler, and until VG proves he can live up to the hype, I can’t say he’s the same.) But he IS a pass rushing threat from anywhere on the field, and he does have the quickness and lateral movement to play at the linebacker position, and when you’ve got an ace in the hole like that, it opens ALOT of things up. We could have him drop back in zone, man to man TE’s or some slot WR’s, have him rush from a backer position, or simply get down in a 3-point stance on the line. Many things could happen. Would still rather get Jake or one of the DT’s, but Gholston is a nice pick in my book.
March 7th, 2008 at 4:20 pmMike Mayock, of the NFL network says he thinks the Chiefs will take Jeff Otah at the five spot. But he also thinks they will try hard to trade down first.
March 7th, 2008 at 5:46 pmok then draft the lt from the second round… lol, after six go in the first you can draft the seventh best this year…lol my head is right it gets people to think, and stop with the name calling roc… you said it we want to protect the qb and run the ball you wish to do so with a most likely back up bench guy, as we wont be bringing in a lineman… to me it doesnt make sence… explain how we wait and miss on six drafted left tackles… and ecspect the second rounder to do so…or else maybe people wish us to sign the left tackle that get cut after these other teams release them, after the draft…
March 8th, 2008 at 12:27 amand thnx Dave..I’m kool with it, and you did a great job…
March 8th, 2008 at 12:34 amMayock is never even close to being right. I watch nfl network religiously, and he is THE WORST. I heard him say that he thinks dmc could possibly go in rd 2. The man has major issues. It’s like he goes out of his way to disagree with people.
March 8th, 2008 at 3:38 amfreaking nuts i tell you. freaking nuts.
March 8th, 2008 at 3:39 amotah will not go #5.
March 8th, 2008 at 3:40 amWhy yes, Mike Mayock is insane!
March 8th, 2008 at 8:38 amI don’t meet enough guys named Cornelius.
March 8th, 2008 at 11:38 amredbeard….. Name calling??? OOHHH!!! Hahahaha! Did you think I was calling YOU a "fat ass road block"?? Hhahaha! Dude, I wasnt refering to you. I was telling you to get your mind right. Thats about it. Youre a funny guy. I didnt know you were a Left Tackle in the NFL.
March 8th, 2008 at 11:41 amMel Kiper was just on ESPN radio and he said Jake Long will be there at the 5 pick. He also seems to think that Clady is as good a left tackle prospect as is Jake maybe even better. He also said several teams have Clady rated higher on there boards…
March 8th, 2008 at 2:15 pmIf both were rated the same, the chiefs would probably still roll with long, just because his style of play suits what the chiefs are looking for a bit more. LJ has to be pulling for long too.
March 8th, 2008 at 3:14 pmI agree with you big chief , Jake is the pick if both are on the board at 5…
March 8th, 2008 at 6:25 pmreally no idea whats up with the otah rumors. the guy was rated around #20 or later comming into the combine, and all he could have done at the combine is drop, as he wasn’t very impressive.
March 8th, 2008 at 9:02 pm