ChiefStock: Ryan Clady Shines During Pro Day

really no idea whats up with the otah rumors.  the guy was rated around #20 or later comming into the combine, and all he could have done at the combine is drop, as he wasn't very impressive.

I agree with you big chief , Jake is the pick if both are on the board at 5...

If both were rated the same, the chiefs would probably still roll with long, just because his style of play suits what the chiefs are looking for a bit more.  LJ has to be pulling for long too.

Mel Kiper was just on ESPN radio and he said Jake Long will  be there at the 5 pick. He also seems to think that Clady is as good a left tackle prospect as is Jake maybe even better. He also said several teams have Clady rated higher on there boards...

redbeard..... Name calling??? OOHHH!!! Hahahaha! Did you think I was calling YOU a "fat ass road block"?? Hhahaha! Dude, I wasnt refering to you. I was telling you to get your mind right. Thats about it. Youre a funny guy. I didnt know you were a Left Tackle in the NFL.

I don't meet enough guys named Cornelius. 

Why yes, Mike Mayock is insane!

otah will not go #5. 

freaking nuts i tell you.  freaking nuts.

Mayock is never even close to being right.  I watch nfl network religiously, and he is THE WORST.  I heard him say that he thinks dmc could possibly go in rd 2.  The man has major issues.  It's like he goes out of his way to disagree with people.

and thnx Dave..I'm kool with it, and  you did a great job...

ok then draft the lt from the second round... lol, after six go in the first you can draft the seventh best this year...lol my head is right it gets people to think, and stop with the name calling roc... you said it we want to protect the qb and run the ball you wish to do so with a most likely back up bench guy, as we wont be bringing in a lineman... to me it doesnt make sence... explain how we wait and miss on six drafted left tackles... and ecspect the second rounder to do so...or else maybe people wish us to sign the left tackle that get cut after these other teams release them, after the draft...

Mike Mayock, of the NFL network says he thinks the Chiefs will take Jeff Otah at the five spot. But he also thinks they will try hard to trade down first.

Roc- yeah, after watching what Tuck has done at his tenure with the Giants, I'm kind of excited about our possibilities, Turk McBride, as much as people seem to bash him, had a decent rookie year, and he's a DT/DE tweener type, if anything, he can be used at one of the DT positions on 3rd down, a la Tuck. Vernon? I still think he's better in a 3-4 (DaMarcus Ware, Terrell Suggs type guy) but would I like him on our team? Hell yeah. I think he could be used the same way Jason Taylor is in Miami (and no, I'm not comparing him to Jason Taylor in any way, Taylor is a perrenial pro-bowler, and until VG proves he can live up to the hype, I can't say he's the same.) But he IS a pass rushing threat from anywhere on the field, and he does have the quickness and lateral movement to play at the linebacker position, and when you've got an ace in the hole like that, it opens ALOT of things up. We could have him drop back in zone, man to man TE's or some slot WR's, have him rush from a backer position, or simply get down in a 3-point stance on the line. Many things could happen. Would still rather get Jake or one of the DT's, but Gholston is a nice pick in my book.

And just a .02 cent comment on Ryan Clady... Look, the kid KNOWS he's not going Top 5... And he knows that if, by a slim chance, if he does, he'd be going to Kansas City. . . so, if he has an agent. . . He BETTER be tellin' Herm that Clady can freakin' walk on water or something.. . . that IS IF he want TOP 5 dollar.

xxxlp, I thought JUST THAT the other day... We COULD use a "high motored", Justin Tuck, sort of guy, and who better than Tamba Hali... So, if thats the latest trend... Then if Chris Long isnt there, do we look at Gholston? (YOUR thoughts, please...) . . . Donovan, My Man! THATS a Great point and possibilty... Plus, you know that while Chan was coaching in College, he saw DMC and probably thought to himself, "My God... What I'd do for a player like that. . "

If you guys do recall, Chan Gailey was the one responsible for Kordell Stewart... So Chan might be extremely interested in a guy like McFadden due to his capabilites of playing a number of positions. I agree with what Jason Whitlock said when he proclaimed that he was disappointed at first then realized that we signed an accomplished Coordinator. I think he might enlist some plays that will shake up the image of the Run-Run-Screen Chiefs. This draft is going to be key for offense. There is an endless amount of talent. I would not be surprised to see our first three picks on lineman or atleast or 2nd and 3rd picks. 

We don't need a HoF LT right off the bat, a Pro Bowl tackle would be nice, but it's not a requirement. Right now I'd be extremely pleased with an 'above average' guy on the LT spot. D-Mac might have been an above average guy, barely, but he was nagged by injuries during the season, and just wasn't up to par for the left side. And Redbeard thinks that C. Long will fall to us? You seriously think that would happen? Besides Jason Taylor, who do the 'Fins have at DE? Probably can't think of it off the top of your head, eh? Me neither. Chris Long + Jason Taylor = terrified QB's on opposing teams for at least this season. After that Jason may retire, and Chris Long will step into the role he had, it's about a perfect fit for the Tuna. Who knows, but I seriously doubt he will be here by the time the Chiefs get to draft, but if he is, I hope we snatch him up quick. We'd have 3 potential pro-bowl players at DE, and could use Tamba (who I think would lose out to Chris Long in the offseason) as the Giants used Tuck, on 3rd downs, we could have Allen, Boone, Hali, Long. All four of them can and will get pressure on the QB.  Doubt it would happen, but it'd be nice. And on a sidenote: Does anyone else find it funny that while Redbeard is quick to bash others, and is a vehement supporter of Ryan Clady's, he STILL after all this time, and all these posts, spells his name wrong? I can see not using proper grammar all the time, this isn't English 101, but if you are going to be the self-proclaimed champion of a player, at least spell it correctly.

Read comment #56. . . toward the end, xxxlp pretty much sums it up. . .by taking the best available talent, ISNT gonna hurt us... its gonna make THAT specific part of our team that much better... and lets face it, boys... DT, OT, CB, and maybe a #2 RB, IS what this team needs and OR CAN use (Run DMC).

Yeah. Sure, We have a need at LT, BUT not so much to reach THAT far for one in the 1st round if Jake isnt there... Im on that "Best Available Player" high right now... and if we get that trade offer from Dallas, then we take it and get redbeards 1st round LT in Otah And some.

By the way, loving this thread. I'm going to go on record and say that we can get a damn good LT early in the seoncd this year. Cherilus, Ryan Collins, etc...guys like that will be there. I think four running backs, maybe five, will go in the first round and help our cause. I also think Brohm and Flacco will both go in the first round most likely. Love ya Beard, but I'm with Dave on this one.

to add to the list, Art Shell - 3rd round, Roman Oben - 3rd round, Tony Jones - UFA. Even so, Redbeard is essentially correct in saying that the great tackles are almost always first round picks. I agree that if we can't get Jake Long, and we can't trade down, then we absolutely must use our 1st pick on the best available LT which, as far as I can tell, would be Ryan Clady.

BUT! Remember guys... IF Miami trades outta that 1st spot, its cause another team wants "you know who" , Run DMC... SO! That MAY change the whole picture for St. Louis as they just might want the OTHER Long (Chris)... ATL doesnt change, but OAKLAND MAY be the threat to take Jake Long... Lets not forget the crazy stuff that happens draft day.

So In MY opinion... the draft MAY look like this MIA: C. Long - STL: J. Long - ATL: Matt Ryan - OAK: Sedrick Ellis - KC: Endless possibilities. . .

Oakland threw a huge chunk of change at 2 players (Kelly and Walker) AND re-signed BOTH their RBs AND STILL have LaMont "Cry baby Cry" Jordan... They gave Jamarcus Russell a nice pay day... Not to mention, Warren Sapp retired... Kelly isnt replacing Sapp. So, If they dont trade down, they may take Dorsey or Ellis. They need to get their run Defense a lot better... and what better way than 1 of these 2 guys.

Thats not to take anything away from him... Cause EVERYONE here knows LJ is my boy... To ME, he's In the Top 3 RBs who has ever put on a KC uniform... But he NEEDS to get it going again... He needs to break 2,000. . . Now, Someone mentioned Oakland taking McFadden and Us drafting Dorsey or Ellis . . . Im not all that sure about that...

Like, How does it go from, "We need a LT." to "We need a GOOD LT." to "We need a PRO BOWL LT." to "We need a HALL OF FAME LT." DUDE! Its hard enough finding a GOOD LT! Lets take it a step at a time... is LJ going to the HOF? No.... Maybe If he gets that motor going and never stops... but again... He's our franchise RB... He's our guy... Now, No One complains about whether he's going to Canton, Right?

And THAT my friends is WHY Dave Is my #2. The dude knows his stuff... Good Job, D... Now about this Hall Of Fame VS Pro Bowl talk... Like Dave said, NO ONE is gonna be bitching when we watch the Pro Bowl and see KC arrowheads on the sides of the entire STARTING Offensive line's helmets of the AFC... So, at THIS point... Who gives a sh*t if we draft a HOF'er?? What matters IS are they good? Can they protect the QB? Are they paving a way for LJ to run? Or are they simply fat ass roadblocks... Guys (readbeard) get your minds right.

brutal.  he could have come in handy last year.  damned predictable boring offence.  we need some creativity.  not 3 and kick every series.

dont think him and carl got along to well ! he wanted head coaching job or more money ! you know the chiefs ...lol !

a bit off topic, but why did we not re-hire Al Saunders?  I hate the Chan signing.

dave, you are an animal.  donovan: to expect 2-3 rookie starters on our line to be good this year is unrealistic.  Croyle might end up jumping off a bridge.  Even guys picked as high as D'Brickshaw struggle in their first year.  I love the idea of anthony collins though, and he should be there in the early 2nd.  Dorsey (although I dig Ellis' beard), then Collins would be nice.  And if anyone can spot talent at CB in Rd 3 and later it's probably herm, so I would feel good about that.  Wr's can be found later too.

that is just up to 1990 - more to come

Redbeard - If you want to talk HOF instead of Pro Bowl then here we go, as far as I can tell there have only been 17 tackles taken in the enitre history of the HOF and (9total or 52%) have been after the first round - Jackie Slater, T, Jackson State - 3rd Round (86th overall) by Los Angeles Rams......Dan Dierdorf, T, Michigan - 2nd Round (43rd overall) by St. Louis Cardinals.......Rayfield Wright, T, Fort Valley State - 7th round (182nd player overall) by Dallas Cowboys........Forrest Gregg, T, Southern Methodist - 2nd Round (20th overall) by Green Bay Packers.......Roosevelt Brown, T, Morgan State - 27th Round (321st overall) by New York Giants.........Bob St. Clair, T, San Francisco, Tulsa - 3rd Round (32nd overall) by San Francisco 49ers.........Mike McCormack, T, Kansas - 3rd Round (34th overall) by New York Yanks.....Lou Creekmur, T, William & Mary - Selected by Detroit Lions in the second round of a special draft......Frank "Bruiser" Kinard, T, Mississippi - 3rd Round (18th overall) by Brooklyn Dodgers......Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

Bigchief13- I just don't see any free agent transactions for the Chiefs. Herm lives and dies by the draft. We should know this by now. This will be his third draft and 6 out of 22 positions are filled with players that he drafted. (Hali, Page, Pollard, Croyle, Dowe, Turk/Tank) This number may even jump up if you add the undrafted FA's and others that he drafted that could win starting spots or share substantial amounts of time. (Brackenridge, Niswanger, Taylor, Smith, Allan) Herm loves the draft more than Christmas. I think he knows this will be his team after next year. So he's building a team that he will want to be proud of. I see us most likely taking Ellis/Dorsey. After the end of the year, they had an article in the Star about Anthony Collins, and it was stated that the Chiefs were extremely interested in him. I just hope we rebuild our O-Line before anything.

I guess what i meant to say is that with the amount of holes on our line, it would be extremely unlikely to fill them all with rookies, who not only make the team, but end up winning  starting jobs.  If some do happen to get starting gigs, how likely is it that two or three of them will actualy play GOOD enough (as in better than a turley or welbourn, although that does not seem difficult) in that starting roll.  And I do think we will need two-three spots filled.   What I am getting at is that I think picking up some help through free angency was and still is a must.

Good thoughts bigchief13 - I agree with most of what you say....especially the part about taking the best talent available...I do disagree though on the part about no one in the draft could start this year.....this is the deepest draft for OL in years and years - you don't have to be a scout to see that one......You could easily draft a Tackle in round one a Guard in round two and a Center in Round three and have all three start from day one......by the way thanks for backing me on the Pro Bowl LT list....I think we all would be happy if we owned the OL at the Probowl like a couple of years ago

I think the chiefs definately need to bring in some help on the O-line through free agency.  The line is looking ugly.  Almost anyone out there in free agency could start somewhere on that line.  And I don't think the cheifs can expect to pick up o-line starters (for next year) through the draft this year.  Claddy is too early at 5.  It would be wise to take either Dorsey or Ellis.  Dorsey is much better, but his injuries are kinda sketchy.  I doubt Jake Long will be available.  Chris Long - nope.   I think the first 5 will go: 1. Miami - C. Long (Parcells loves guys like this) 2. St. Louis - J. Long  3. Atlanta- Matt Ryan (I would hate for the chiefs to get ryan.  I think he is overrated)  4. Oakland- DMC (they did re-sign their other rb's, but they suck.  Would be crazy not to go with DMC)  5. Chiefs - Either DT, I don't care I like them both.  This is the smart move, taking the best talent available.  Herm talks about that a lot.I'd love for the chiefs to trade out and take an OT and then CB late in the first followed by a WR in early 2nd.  I doubt this will happen espessially since I think DMC will be gone at #4.  As far as trading LJ, not going to happen.  I think it would butcher the salary cap.   

Hey Redbeard - I did this thinking you would get a kick out of it.....I mean you did call me out......I thought ProBowl was good enough.....I was at work and took just a half an hour - now I am at home and if you want me to get serious about it I guess I could really prove my point.......How about we just agree to disagree

I would think that if we drafted a Tackle this year and he went to the ProBowl you would be satisfied, but no I guess that they would have to be a Hall of Famer to impress you...unbelievable....look, all I did was show you how easy it was to find a great LT not taken in the first round of the draft......Heck, all it took me was one year of the probowl.....Now if you feel like claiming that you can predict Clady going to the Hall of fame than be my guest.

Finding a probowler after round 1 is nothing to cry about.  Good list I think, and I'm sure there are way more out there if you research it a bit.  Some of those guys may even become hall of famers at some point, who knows.

To say Matt Light is a great left tackle is a stretch , He had his a$$ handed to him by everyone that was in front of him in the superbowl.

your also showing me probowlers, not hall of famers...

the other thing that bother me is that people over look howies kid being there for us... his being on this team by far would help us more than would fadden, as he could share time... on this d-line

your naming starters... none of these to me are GREAT left tackles, you may as well name Black in with these players.

btw John Alt was better than the people you have mentioned...

I will these are not GREAT left takles... can you honestly compare them to roaf?

#5 - Jason Peters - Buffalo Bills ........ Undrafted Rookie free agent (I know, he is not a big name yet - even I would agree with that...I only bring him up to show you the number of Pro Bowl LT's this last year that were not #1 draft picks....that is just one year - do you want me to go back farther?)

#4 - Marcus McNiel - SanDiego Chargers ..... taken in the second round #50 overall (by the way if you haven't figured it out yet they all played in the probowl this year so dont give me any crap about McNiel)

#3 - Matt Light - New England Patriots ........ taken in the second round #48 overall (getting nervous yet - he is only the 5th person I have looked up so far)