Sometimes The Truth Hurts

by Chiefs

After continually checking this site and all the other sites on the Internet like I’m sure most of you did since Friday for the latest on who the Chiefs had signed or who was scheduled for a visit, I found myself feeling-happy, very happy with what I read. No news, absolutely nothing, nada, zero zilch… about the free agents the Chiefs had signed.

editors note: (Obviously this will come off as biased since I do in fact write for this site from time to time, having said that I have to say that ArrowheadAddict.com did without a doubt the best job of covering the latest on the Chiefs and free agency. The Star was an absolute embarrassment, it pretended no one wanted to know anything. I just want to take this space here to say thank you to Adam and Zach for going the extra mile to bring the news and rumors to us the Chiefs fans. Job Well Done.)

Now, back to why I felt happy, that’s the important thing here. Unlike most Chiefs fans, I was happy they weren’t out wasting their money on “big name” free agents. When is the last time a big time free agent actually work out for the team they signed with? Seriously, I didn’t research it, but I can’t off the top of my head think of anybody. Nate Clements signed an 80 million dollar deal with San Fran, they didn’t finish the season much better than us. I’m not talking about having a good season, I’m talking about helping their team win, there is a difference. That is the point, right? Sign free agents, not just so they can have great seasons, but to help the team win the ultimate goal-the Super Bowl.

The Chiefs have manged to do one thing so far this off season and do it well. Tell us, the fans, the truth about what they were going to do. They said since the last game of the year that they weren’t going to be very active the first couple of days of free agency. Let’s see, they held true to that statement. They said they probably weren’t going to go after the big name free agents. Yep, put a check mark in that box too, they didn’t even sniff around any of the Asante Samuel’s or Randall Gay’s or even a Drayton Florence’s of the league. In fact the Chiefs brass (I’m including Herm in that) gave us and everyone else the formula for exactly what type of player they would be pursuing via free agency. They wanted a player going into their second contract, not someone going into the third. So that ruled out certain players right off the bat. They wanted players who maybe were no getting a chance to start because of circumstances beyond their control like maybe being stuck behind a veteran player. In fact Herman Edwards made the comment that when the Chiefs did sign a free agent it might make the fans scratch their head and ask “who?”.

So what I really can’t understand for the life of me is how anybody can really, honestly be upset that the Chiefs didn’t blow their money of Asante Samuel. I mean seriously-how? We as fans should be happy that our beloved Chiefs are telling us the truth, not lying to us as other organization’s fan’s deal with from time to time. We should be happy they set a plan in motion and are sticking to their guns. Just like during the NFL draft, the Chiefs set a board on which they have players ranked, they haven’t varied from that board since Herm has been head coach. Just look at the results of the draft since Herm has taken over, he’s done better then any head coach in recent Chiefs history. If you don’t believe me just check out the wonderful articles written by Chris over at Arrowheadpride.com that take a look back at Chiefs drafts in previous years. In case you don’t want to take the time to look I’ll give you a brief synopsis of the grades handed out by Chris and a lot of the posters–F. These articles should jog your memory back to some of the unbelievably horrid picks the Chiefs have made in the past 5-6 years or so-Pre Herman Edwards.

No my fellow Chiefs fan’s, I will not go down the say road as some of you have chosen. The same road I imagine some of you choose every year, always blowing up when the Chiefs don’t sign the biggest name out there. I will be happy and take satisfaction in the belief that maybe Herm Edwards actually knows what he’s doing here? Just maybe.

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Great post mate. Can I bookmark your webpage into Spurl? I couldnt find it marked there.

Adam #2, you don't need to apologize to me buddy, I love all the comments good or bad, as long as they are about the Chiefs or articles someone on here has written or wrote in the past.  That is the main reason me and the others write these articles is to let fellow Chiefs fans feel envolved.  This is a great forum for all of us to do just that.  Our goal is to make this the best site for Chiefs fans to visit everyday for the latest commentary, news and updates.  Thanks everybody, this is awesome!

D.Thomas, I'm somewhat with you... and I've been saying that this WHOLE time! Just the same way we take risks in the draft. And in my opinion, I think its a lot more riskier to draft a kid, cause what if he doesnt work out? You've just wasted time, money, energy. With guys like Allen Faneca, Asante Samuel, or Shaun Rogers, if they dont work out, you've REALLY only wasted money... And thats what I dont get. I understand that we wanna build our team through the draft, but to not bring in a FEW veteran guys to take the lead of a team and show the younger guys how to really play the game is ANYONE'S guess... I just wish that we made a couple moves... I was reading the Kansas City paper (online)... and Herm said in his interview that he doesnt wanna "sign big names just cause it looks good on paper"... I just about lost it. It's like all of us here at AA know the NFL. We KNOW who's out there, what our team needs... Its like "Ok Herm, do you think that Max Starks cant help us be a better team? What about DeAngelo Hall? What about Bryant Johnson?... Do you REALLY feel like these guys are just a waste of money??" ... Then WHY re-sign Larry Johnson? Why re-sign Tony Gonzalez? What about Brian Waters? He's what, 31? 32 years old? Why not release him, if we're haveing this so-called "youth movement"?  Same with T.G... He's 32, 33 years old. Why dont we release him??? Because HE is GREAT!! Waters is great! L.J. isnt quite 30 but he's one of those "big names" that "look good on paper" yet we threw so much money at him to stay in Kansas City... why? You got it... Cause he is GREAT! So, ask yourself... Is signing a 26 year old Tackle, another 26 year old Wide Reciever, and a freakin' 24 year old Cornerback really gonna hurt the team??? I dont think so. Starks and B. Johnson are EXACTLY what Herm said he was looking for. "Going into their 2nd contract" - "A guy that was stuck behind a starter" -"YOUNG!!!" The only thing with D.Hall, is that he could be that ONE big name Free Agent (who has so much talent to bring to the team).... I dont know. Its frustrating... Plus, didnt Bryant Johnson play with Larry Johnson at Penn State?? Eh, whatever... Herm, Carl, and Clark are gonna do what they wann do... nothin'.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3269224This seems relevant to this general discussion.  ESPN ranked their top 10 free agents of all time.  The chiefs were the only team on it twice with Marcus Allen at number 4 and Priest Holmes at number 6, I would reverse those, I feel like Priest was better than Marcus during his time here, but both of these were under Carl Peterson.   I don't know what that means, but it could be an interesting discussion.  Also he took a lot of heat for drafting Larry Johnson, maybe Carl should just be a scout for running backs. lol

OK, WE DIDN'T SIGN ANY BIG TIME FA'S.  AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE VERY FEW PLAY MAKERS, AND WILL NEVER WIN A PLAYOFF GAME WITHOUT SOME GOOD PLAYERS.   THE PROBLEM IS, CARL IS GOOD AT MANAGING MONEY BUT NOT GOOD AT GETTING US PLAYOFF WINS. I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE NOT WASTING MONEY, BUT WE ALSO WILL HAVE A CRAPPY TEAM NEXT YEAR.  IF YOU GO FOR GUYS LIKE FANECA, AND SAMUEL YOU AVE MORE PLAYMAKERS, THUS A BETTER CHANCE TO GO TO THE BIG SHOW.LOOK AT NEW ENGLAND, THEY ADD SOME BIG TIME PLAY MAKERS LAST YEAR, AND BREAK ALMOST EVERY RECORD POSSIBLE, AND SHOULD HAVE WON THE BIG GAME.  ALL I'M SAYING IS ,TO RUN A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS YOU HAVE TO TAKE RISKS, AND SIGNING A CONVERTED FULLBACK SEEMS LIKE MORE OF A WAIST THAN ANYTHING.  (ALLA-BOOMER)

HOW ABOUT RANDY MOSS, WES WELKER JEFF GARCIA, TO NAME A FEW

Adam-  an active mock type depth chart for the upcoming season that is a like a footer at the bottom of the page would be nice, you could have an asterick or other visual indicators for things like contact year or franschise tag; might be nice for readers so we can see quickly what we think were talking about.

Wow, I missed out yesterday! I have been finishing up my Masters and didn't have time to check the site.

I just want to thanks everyone as well for your support. You guys are what make the site!

I figured this might be a good time to ask our readers what they would like added or changed to the site? I will probably make a post later, but I would like some ideas from you guys.

Crane, what about we keep the white jerseys, and go with gold pants... That might be hot! Or red jersey's with the gold pants... and ofcourse red and white trim. I think we're due for a SLIGHT upgrade.... For some reason, I REALLY like the home Pro Bowl uniforms. Red jerseys, white numbers, and white lining, white pants and red side stripe (similar to the Broncos stripe). Regular red socks and white cleats... Very simple. But sometimes, simple is good... (ie. Colts, Bears, and Steelers)... Check this out... Tell me what you think.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/zenzenok/99918008/   and instead of the blue in the uniforms, we'd have our trademark gold (duh)

For the 100th post, I'd like to suggest the Chiefs lose the White jerseys and go with the Gold with Red letters...Just a thought.

And, Steven, Zach and I just want to formally thank you for the kind words. As always, we try!

Thanks for all the love, everybody. Our one-year birthday is rapidly approaching. Hard to believe.

Remember, guys, easy on the bashing--we are all Chiefs fans here :)

looks like we missed out on bell too! lookes like rams going to get him !

... and congrats on the love you guys are getting for the site... okay, that's all I'll say!

And jay, that was me who was saying how great this site is... My girlfriend says, " I guess its not called 'Arrowhead ADDICT' for nothin'." She MAY be able to get me off Madden (on XBOX live) for a few hours, but when Im not on my laptop checking the latest here, Im on my cell phone seeing whats going on... AA! GO CHIEFS!

I think it's just as likely that Atlanta will draft a DT with their 1st pick instead of Ryan. Is there any reason to believe that Atlanta is particularly enamored with Ryan? Any reason not to believe that the Falcons wait until the 2nd round to get their next QB? Anyway, it looks to me like Miami takes DE Chris Long. The Rams, they need OT, OG, SLB, DE, QB, CB, WLB, S, & WR - basically in that order. Do they reach for Gholston instead of Jake Long? I doubt it. Raiders need WR, OT, DT, DE, OG, & C. If they have Jake Long there, they take him because Dorsey's stock has fallen due to injury questions. If Long is not there, then they either take Dorsey or Gholston. Unless they can trade out of their spot - that leaves the Chiefs with a choice DMC, Ryan, McKelvin/DRC, or Clady. Maybe Clady is a #5 - I don't know. Do I think Ryan *could* be franchise QB - yeah, but I don't want to take that risk right now without a line to protect him. What I do know is that this type of scenario is the entire reason why need to sign a FA OT before the draft - otherwise we end up handcuffed to Clady at #5. I also know I saw King Carl walking into Halls yesterday afternoon instead of working his phone and that pissed me off too!!!

... and I said solid a bunch... ehh... it's Monday...

That's a good two cents Jay - welcome to the site!

Haha! Donovan is like the drunk uncle in our (AA) family... You know he's lame, you feel ashamed, but you love him the same. . . Much Love Donovan. . . This post title says it all...

I just got home from work today and read through the entire post and I have to agree with whoever said how great this site is,  I've been stopping by for three or four months and I'm addicted as well.  Its nice to have so many people out there as obsessed or possibly more obsessed with the chiefs than I am.  Also its good one stop shopping for all the info thats fit to read.  On an actual football note, I'm sad that we aren't out signing more guys or seemingly anyone, but its the way they've done it since I can remember and they've fielded some pretty decent teams over the years.  I'm trying to relax is the point and see what happens, they have to have a few tricks up their sleeve.  Finally, Donovan, I don't get how folks like you can sign onto these things and act as if you're superior to everyone on here.  I hate to break this to you but your just another dude who likes the chiefs and thinks you know a little bit about football, we're all in that boat, and unless I'm mistaken, no one has called any of us and asked us to scout for them.  If you walked up to a group of guys talking about football in a bar I really doubt that you'd immediately start telling them what dumbasses they are for not agreeing with you.  So stop being a douche bag and treat the rest of the guys that are just like you with a little respect.   Just my two cents. 

By the way, Stephen, my above post wasn't directed to attack you, or anyone really, I just wanted to speak what I was feeling at the time.

Steven: Solid article here, man.One thing needs to be mentioned, though. Championship rosters are not built in one off-season. Tweaked? Yes. Solidified? Certainly. Built entirely? Never. Herm's and Bill Kuharich's solid talent evaluation and Clark Hunt's seemingly full commitment to Herm's process. I know it's tough for Chiefs fans to stomach right now, but the idea of this whole thing is that names like J. Page, D. Johnson, B. Pollard, T. Hali, T. Tyler, D. Bowe, (maybe) B. Croyle are at least going to be really solid professionals in a year or two, if not challenging for Pro-Bowl roster spots (especially D. Johnson, and D. Bowe, maybe T. Hali). Look at it like this: Kerry Rhodes and Jonathon Vilma are two of the better players at their respective positions. Herm drafted both of them. I know Vilma was hurt, but you'd be hard pressed finding a scout to say Vilma still isn't an extremely solid ILB/MLB. We're not going to draft a Pro-Bowler every round this year, or any other year for that matter. We're not going to strike gold with every free-agency signing. And more importantly, we're not going to over-pay FA's to look good in the paper. The Chiefs can't fabricate talent. A player's talent isn't determined by his paycheck. We're going to continue to frugally sign free agents, hope to draft well this spring, coach the hell out of every player on the roster, and hope that some of our players step up.

thats the jest of it ! makes you wonder what there doing huh ??

Starter: Oliver Hoyte - I’m placing Hoyte in the starter’s role only because he was the starter at the end of the year. Personally, I don’t believe he will be the starter in 2008, that role will either go to Deon Anderson or a player currently not on the roster. Hoyte was a former ILB that was moved to the offensive side of the ball under the previous coaching regime and remained there for 2007. Hoyte’s skills as a FB are limited to blocking; he doesn’t present a threat as a ball-carrier or a receiver out of the backfield. Even Hoyte’s main strength, blocking, has flaws. He’s a very willing and physical blocker, and when he hits a defender with proper leverage he can deliver a devastating blow. But too often he fails to find the correct defender to block in order to open a hole and he can also take a bad angle in his blocking that limits the effectiveness of the hit.Hoyte sprained his neck last year, missing six games. Even with that minimal playing time, Hoyte was lucky. Cowboys' rookie full back Deon Anderson was out the entire season with a shoulder injury, prompting the Cowboys to fill in with Hoyte. Without Anderson's injury, Hoyte doesn't take the field in 2007. Don't you cringe at the idea of a fullback with a neck injury?

has anyone seen the article on ur new fullback in arrowheadpride.com? pretty dang funny .....well  sad really !!!!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=3274514 Clayton says Chiefs are loser in free agency due to inaction.

Sorry, "what" not "want" in that last sentence.

I don't know how much they would want RUN DMC, but according to the trade chart we could at least get the two firsts and the second.  It would probably be better to go with Otah, I just for some reason have a fascination with Albert.  He is a huge individual that can play both tackle and guard.  I would love to also get DRC with the 28th, but I have a feeling after the combine he will be long gone even by our 22nd pick.  But who knows.  It doesn't matter what we think, just want the scouts, coaches, and GM's think.

 dont dog me here but do we get a comp pick for loosing shields ? i know it said for free agents lost but didnt know about retired players !

Adam, I Agree... ATL picks Ryan. It makes ALL the sense in the world in rebuilding their franchise.... Clinton, Id take Otah With the 22nd pick then DRC with the 2nd 1st round Dallas would trade (what is it 27th or 28th) ... That round alone would cover a lot of ground... then we can use our 33rd pick on a Guard or WR.

dang clinton think we could get that much out of them ! two 1 and a second  or third may be a bit of a stretch but who knows !

chances of  jake long falling to us is pretty much nill lets face it ! so now its down to whos left ! if we dont sign allen to long term by draft day were going to need a de !  long or gholston ! gholston would be my guess ! just a thought

I would love to get a trade with Dallas for their two first rounders and maybe a 2nd and/or 3rd.  I don't know why but Brandon Albert is really intriguing to me, and I would love to get him with the 22nd pick.  

hope there is a way we can trade our #5 pick for dallas 2 first rounders ! the cost there talking for a top 5 pick this year is nuts ! we could build big time if that happend ! if i know dallas they want the super bowl this year so it is likely if run-dmc is there on our pick they may trade !

Hey Donovan is back, or as I like to call him now - One Nut (for those of you who might have missed it just go back and read Article: burning question#4)....Donovan, you have to start lightening up Bro....The Chiefs have REALLY pissed me and everyone else off this past weekend so you probably don't want to go there anymore because I would really love to unload on someone just like YOU!.....If someone here - me included thinks that Starks can translate to LT then you can do one of two things......either agree with it, or disagree with it - but when you act like a jack@#&* then I am coming after you.....Sorry Adam, I am trying to keep it civil.....anyways one nut,  just wanted to jump in after catching up after a meeting.

I believe the Falcons will draft Matt Ryan now. I really do. Ryan and Turner will help them turn the page from the Vick-Dunn-Mora/Petrino-Crumpler-Hall era. I think Blank wants new faces of the franchise.

I think our biggest worry isn't STL. I think that now Atlanta signed Michael Turner  they might focus in on rebuilding their line for him. STL defense is extremely weak. So is Atlanta's and since Atlanta's new head coach was a Defensive Coordinator they might look to draft one of the top 4 defensive prospects (Ellis, Dorsey, Long, and Gholston). We might have a shot of Long falling to us, and we might even move up a couple of picks.  But chances are Peterson won't do a thing about our glaring needs.

double d scroll up to 40 ! thats why we wont bring in d hall  imo !!!  thought hadnot was going to sign somewhere but guess it fell through !  yes bring em in ! bryant is very happy with visit with bills ! fact is they wont let him leave last i checked , i look for them to sign him today !

 wow adam way to come along and throw water on the fire !  lol... fact is we are all passionate about our chiefs ! thats what makes us the best fans in the country!!

Unless St. Louis acquires an up and coming OT through FA (just like almost all of us think the Chiefs should!), I think it's almost certain they will take Jake Long. OT is their most glaring need imo.

It doesn't bother me at all that the Chiefs have not signed any "big money" free agents. What bothers me more than anything is their apparent lack of effort. We are hearing nothing about visits being scheduled with anybody that has the potential to help in our areas of greatest need! Why not at least get the ball rolling by at least setting up visits for Bryant, Starks, Scott, Williams, Hadnot, and/or Hall?

Posts and threads like these are the reason we started AA! This is awesome! I'm going to have to do another entire post on the state of FA in response. Probably drop that tomorrow, becuase we know we aren't going to do anything today. Just remember, keep it civil and keep it to football--we all wear Red and Gold here.

Well maybe you should look harder. If you would look into the free agent tracker, which Max Starks is and then you look at Max Starks you will read this "so called article." You can read it over and over and over again, but it is still going to tell you the same thing I just did.

one things for sure even the decent o lineman are drying up out there ! we need to make at least one move dont we ! dang guys come on !!

Dude, Donovan... Different teams have different systems. You Cant base what Starks was able to do in Pittsburgh... We ARENT Pittsburgh. We Have different strengths and weaknesses. We have different coaches. A different/better RB (LJ ALL DAY!) So, You can play judge like that bro.

csf69... Donovan has a tendency of knocking people when he gets a chance. And most of it is retarded... Just like my boy Jay -Z would ... get that dirt off your shoulders.

Clinton - I forgot reading was for experts and on your so called ESPN article, I searched up and down the ESPN archives to look for your so called "article".  It's funny because I couldn't find it. Max Starks is a natural RT because LE tend to be run stoppers. It would be a huge risk to spend nearly 7 million dollars on a player that has lost his job in Pittsburgh TWICE! The only reason Pittsburgh is holding onto him is because Faneca is gone and Marvel Smith is very up and down. Being a Chiefs fan means appreciating all that is the Chiefs and becoming knowledgeable on the what's best for them.  

No need to apologize here.  We all have, and are entitled to, an opinion.  Technically, we are all armchair QB/General Managers.  I am just glad I can share my opinion in this forum, however brilliant, and/or idiotic my opinion may seem.  I am an Arrowheadaddict, and I don't need or want a twelve step program! 

thanks roc27 another true brother !!! band wagon anyone ....lol   

Woooooooo!!!! Now THERES a comment I Like to hear from YOU Clinton!!!!