Sometimes The Truth Hurts
After continually checking this site and all the other sites on the Internet like I’m sure most of you did since Friday for the latest on who the Chiefs had signed or who was scheduled for a visit, I found myself feeling-happy, very happy with what I read. No news, absolutely nothing, nada, zero zilch… about the free agents the Chiefs had signed.
editors note: (Obviously this will come off as biased since I do in fact write for this site from time to time, having said that I have to say that ArrowheadAddict.com did without a doubt the best job of covering the latest on the Chiefs and free agency. The Star was an absolute embarrassment, it pretended no one wanted to know anything. I just want to take this space here to say thank you to Adam and Zach for going the extra mile to bring the news and rumors to us the Chiefs fans. Job Well Done.)
Now, back to why I felt happy, that’s the important thing here. Unlike most Chiefs fans, I was happy they weren’t out wasting their money on “big name” free agents. When is the last time a big time free agent actually work out for the team they signed with? Seriously, I didn’t research it, but I can’t off the top of my head think of anybody. Nate Clements signed an 80 million dollar deal with San Fran, they didn’t finish the season much better than us. I’m not talking about having a good season, I’m talking about helping their team win, there is a difference. That is the point, right? Sign free agents, not just so they can have great seasons, but to help the team win the ultimate goal-the Super Bowl.
The Chiefs have manged to do one thing so far this off season and do it well. Tell us, the fans, the truth about what they were going to do. They said since the last game of the year that they weren’t going to be very active the first couple of days of free agency. Let’s see, they held true to that statement. They said they probably weren’t going to go after the big name free agents. Yep, put a check mark in that box too, they didn’t even sniff around any of the Asante Samuel’s or Randall Gay’s or even a Drayton Florence’s of the league. In fact the Chiefs brass (I’m including Herm in that) gave us and everyone else the formula for exactly what type of player they would be pursuing via free agency. They wanted a player going into their second contract, not someone going into the third. So that ruled out certain players right off the bat. They wanted players who maybe were no getting a chance to start because of circumstances beyond their control like maybe being stuck behind a veteran player. In fact Herman Edwards made the comment that when the Chiefs did sign a free agent it might make the fans scratch their head and ask “who?”.
So what I really can’t understand for the life of me is how anybody can really, honestly be upset that the Chiefs didn’t blow their money of Asante Samuel. I mean seriously-how? We as fans should be happy that our beloved Chiefs are telling us the truth, not lying to us as other organization’s fan’s deal with from time to time. We should be happy they set a plan in motion and are sticking to their guns. Just like during the NFL draft, the Chiefs set a board on which they have players ranked, they haven’t varied from that board since Herm has been head coach. Just look at the results of the draft since Herm has taken over, he’s done better then any head coach in recent Chiefs history. If you don’t believe me just check out the wonderful articles written by Chris over at Arrowheadpride.com that take a look back at Chiefs drafts in previous years. In case you don’t want to take the time to look I’ll give you a brief synopsis of the grades handed out by Chris and a lot of the posters–F. These articles should jog your memory back to some of the unbelievably horrid picks the Chiefs have made in the past 5-6 years or so-Pre Herman Edwards.
No my fellow Chiefs fan’s, I will not go down the say road as some of you have chosen. The same road I imagine some of you choose every year, always blowing up when the Chiefs don’t sign the biggest name out there. I will be happy and take satisfaction in the belief that maybe Herm Edwards actually knows what he’s doing here? Just maybe.
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interesting read and good points, i agree with you in many aspects of what you wrote.I didn’t want the chiefs to overpay certain people out there, however at the same time i did hope we’d get a few ppl signed. We need some help at receiver and that could be cheap, however maybe they see someone in the draft they likeI just think we have a lot of holes and yes we can fill many through the draft but its nice to do a little through free agency. Well see what develops from here, i agree with you in the big picture aspect of it but i think we can still do more than where we are now
March 3rd, 2008 at 5:51 ami like what you say ! dont agree totally though ! i see some 4 and 5 year players out there that are proven players ,1 olivea 2 starks these ar o lineman we can at least bring in and feel out ! they have no visits to anyone so far and are just sitting there ! they may be the players we can get sighned for the kind of $$ we like !
March 3rd, 2008 at 7:02 am"I will be happy and take satisfaction in the belief that maybe Herm Edwards actually knows what he’s doing here?" - Ive like what Herms been doing in the offseason, during a games is totally different, but as far as this kind of stuff, I think he knows whats he doing.
March 3rd, 2008 at 8:47 amI, like the others, agree with what youre saying… but I havent been hollering to throw all our money at the big time players… Maybe besides Stallworth… But who didnt? … Im just thinking, hey Starks, D. Hall, and Bryant Johnson are all young and would be coming into KC on their 2nd contract… 2 played behind starters and 1 is extremely talented yet disgruntled where he is… Im Just saying… This Is what Herm is looking for. Any retard with the same philosophy as Herm WOULD pick up these 3 guys.
March 3rd, 2008 at 9:23 amSteven: Thanks for the post. I agree with much of where you are coming from. Herm’s player evaluation has been good since he has been here. I have some confidence that he can build a good roster.
March 3rd, 2008 at 9:34 amI think Starks would be a great addition and I would be happy with the addition of Bryant Johnson, but I would not like to have to give up any draft picks to get D Hall and then pay him in the neighborhood of what Asante Samuels got. D Hall is cocky and would suggest he gets a huge contract. Does anybody know what we would have to give up to get Starks? Or is the tag he has not for compensation?
March 3rd, 2008 at 9:46 amyeah i see! we put trust in king carl and herm last year and they assured us that we had the talent onhand for a good o line , remember that ??? and why we got rid of welborn who by the way give us all 16 games last year as starter and was at least decent is beyond me ! old or not ! but keep crap like svitek and stallings ! RIGHT !!!
March 3rd, 2008 at 10:03 amclinton , starks is a ufa ! we dont have to give anything but phone call ! be nice wouldnt it ?if they would at least call some into kc it will give the chief fans some friggin hope
March 3rd, 2008 at 10:11 amI understand he is a ufa, but so is Jared Allen. We however gave Jared Allen the franchise tag. I know that Pittsburgh tagged Starks, but it was not the franchise tag, it was the transition tag. I just want to know if we have to compensate them if we sign him.
March 3rd, 2008 at 10:20 amStarks has been tagged with the transition tag. With that anyone wanting to sign him has to give up a 3rd round pick if the current team doesn’t match the offer. http://www.realfootball365.com/nfl/articles/21356.html "Players who have been designated with a franchise or transition tag have the right to explore free agency, but their teams get the right of first refusal if they sign an offer sheet with someone else. If they choose not to sign that offer sheet, they are entitled to a third-round pick in lieu of the transition-tagged player, and two first-round selections for the franchise-tagged player. "
March 3rd, 2008 at 10:31 amthat i dont know the way i understand it is the unrestricted free agent was no strings attached ! i believe thay have the option to match any offers to him is all !
March 3rd, 2008 at 10:32 amThere is a thinig called moderation.. Don’t gop so extreme and sign evryone for big money. However, we do have a lot of holes to plug especially on the O-line, so we do have to take a bite at the apple. Every signing is a risk, every draft pick is a risk. Sitting on the side saying your not going to jump in the water may be safe, but doing the same thing every year and ecpecting something different is crazy.
March 3rd, 2008 at 11:14 amI do not support this article or it’s line of thinking - and frankly when the Chiefs said it I was thinking it was a kind of smoke screen…..Look, you don’t have to overpay a Faneca or a Samuel like some might want to make me happy…….but you do have to throw your name out there and push hard to get the players like Faine…..I am not going to get into the different names because frankly I am really pissed today……the only real bonus that I see coming out of this weekend is that Turner went to the Falcons…..I totally see McFadden droping to us now which (if Jake Long is gone) gives us two great options, trade down with Dallas or take McFadden, bite the financial bullet and have the best two headed running monster in the NFL!
March 3rd, 2008 at 11:27 amWe won’t draft McFadden. Jerry Jones will make us an offer to good to refuse. I wonder if he’d take LJ?
March 3rd, 2008 at 11:40 amBring in MARUICE WILLIAMS (OT)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now!!!!!!!! He can help! I will keep saying until it happens. Lol. Go Chiefs. P.S. Crane, a few errors are ok. We are all friends here. Sometimes I type too fast and make mistakes, others do too. It is OK.
March 3rd, 2008 at 11:51 amDave… You are officially my #2, partner in crime here at AA! Dude, Im with you yet again… I mean, we’re not doinganything productive this FA period… I see it the same way. Other peoples moves are the ONLY upside to our team that I see… and I saw it the same way… with Turnes headed to the ATL, that relieves them of taking DMC… and we COULD VERY WELL end up with him… and quite frankly wouldnt mind having him or trading with Dallas and taking Otah and DRC with their picks. Either way I Guarantee we come out on top… We either have Jake Long, DMC, or Otah AND DRC. . . if we dont decide to go Dorsey or Ellis… We’re in a great position in the draft… Look for Matt Ryan in ATL
March 3rd, 2008 at 11:51 amall the mock draft crap says well draft clady a sub 1st rounder ! i say well draft the best talent thats left if were smart! that means gholston ,ryan,run-dmc imo ! if we can get one of dallas first round picks and a second then yeah trade down , otherwise we have to go with talent ! and that i think herm knows !
March 3rd, 2008 at 11:57 amAnd Jeremy, Im with you there as well… and THATS what Im saying. Sure, We’re not going to go after Briggs, Berrian, or Moss… We SHOULDNT… BUT we ALSO SHOULDNT go so off into the deep end to get players when there are perfectly good, capable players that fit our system, Right In Front Of Us! ( Starks, Hall, -Maybe Lito-, and Bryant Johnson)… Its like dont be so OFF the radar… theres a reason WHY theyre 2nd or 3rd string guys. Take A Shot! Dont be so damn conservative ALL THE TIME!
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:05 pmthe longer i see julius jones sitting there on fa the more i like the thought of having another bruising back for a 1-2 punch in the face ! just a thought ! by the way talk is miami is going to take jake long #1 now but who knows ! i do NOT like the thought of getting any of the dt that is there with a top 5 pick! we should learn from past [ simms] picks at that pos.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:07 pmTo be honest csf69, I Hope we dont take Ryan (if he doesnt go to ATL) we’re trying to develope Brodie… If we take a QB, I think we take Ainge or Flacco in a later round… I just hope to draft Schmitt, Cherlius, Chevis Jackson, or a solid reciever (if we dont take or EVEN LOOK AT Bryant Johnson).
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:14 pmIn My Opinion… Miami goes with Chris Long… With Taylor staying in Miami, Taylor and Long could be ridiculously dominant… Even if Taylor DOES retire… They’ll need a pass rusher like C. Long. My Only worry to take JAKE Long Is St. Louis or Oakland.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:21 pmROC27 - I found AA about 1 month ago and I am totally hooked!……Whenever I have an important question about my BELOVED CHIEFS this is the place I go…..getting you, adam, redbeard, and all of the others (don’t want to name everyone) perspectives really helps me out…..with that being said, I really need everyones help today…..I am really pissed off at the Chiefs today…..I need to vent and hear others vent….if you think this weekend went "just as planned" then fine, I respect all Chiefs opinions……but it sure as hell didn’t go as I planned….anyways Go Chiefs!
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:23 pmyeah im so pissed the havent even called johnson ! you see this guys # last year ? for playing behind fitz and boldin his # was damn good ! 46 rec for 528 yds & 2 tds ! thats dang good for a #3 ! means hes not dropping passes thats coming his way! tall wr that catches passes… worth at least a call id think! this is so friggin frustrating !!!!!!!
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:28 pmdoes nebody know if the wr from cardinals bryant is coming for a visit we need to nab a wr in free agency and the draft if nebody knows nehting plz let me know???
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:32 pmAnd I wouldnt mind taking a D-limeman… (Dorsey, C. Long, or Ellis) if J. Long or DMC is off the board.
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:33 pmFree agent Bryant Johnson revealed Monday that he has a meeting scheduled with the Redskins. It sounds like no visit with the Bears has been set up, despite multiple reports coming out of Chicago. Johnson is still at the Bills’ facility and they could put on a full-court press to make sure he doesn’t leave Buffalo. | 3/3/2008 12:46:00 PM Source: buffalobills.com
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:41 pmROC27 - Your are so right on the #5 pick…….we can’t really go wrong with any decision…..well, unless we take Clady…..but that is a different discussion for a different day…..anyways, the #5 pick wont save our season - and neither will the whole draft……We "could" have a totally sucessful draft and it still wont fill all of our "Starting positions that are open due to releases"……and if the Chiefs are so nieve as to think that we can just wait for 2 months and then Duck Tape the rest - then that is just sad……there were and still are some really good players that we could get….and to sit on our butts and do nothing with our 30million dollars in cap space is so stupid…..memo to the Chiefs….THE DRAFT IS NO GUARANTEE
March 3rd, 2008 at 12:52 pmDave, And THATS what I’M saying… the guys we SHOULD go after are young, have experience and give us more of a chance to win… We NEED to bring in Bryant Johnson as our #2 WR, cause I Dont see a 4th or 3rd rounder coming in and making such an impact as D.Bowe did… We NEED to pick up Starks And perhaps Olivea… Maybe Mo. Williams… We NEED to bring in a solid, established CB… YOU said it… We Cant put all our eggs in the “draft basket”
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:10 pmI am getting annoyed about not pursuing some of these guys that are getting play right now. I would like to see some visits at the least. On Bryant Johnson, he did have some good numbers last year but they weren’t as a #3 all the time. Boldin was injured most of the season and he was playing #2. I’m not saying that he shouldn’t be here, I think he would be a great player for us to pick up, I am just saying that there are people that keep saying how impressive he is as a 3 and it isn’t quite the case.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:26 pmi totally agree…. and the longer we wait the fewer the FA’s get. It just really seems to me like Carl and Herm are hell bent on the Draft…. but we really haven’t had a good draft (majority of players turned out to be good) since the mid 90’s so what do we basing the lets build through the draft assumptions on.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:28 pmif the chiefs think they can plug in 8 rookies into the team in there first year and make it work there just nuts ! theres going to be so many blown plays! well have croyle and lj on ir ! how there going to get these guys to learn a playbook in just 2 to 3 months is just dumb! dont get me wrong here i like the concept of getting younger, just not all at once! and were not going to keep our super players here for 3 or 4 more years ! if your going that way then let TG, LJ, JA go and try and win the big one with someone else!!!
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:47 pmchiefssuperfan69, chill man. We don’t know everything that goes on behind the scenes. For all we know, we COULD be making calls to people, we COULD be trying to set up visits and all that jazz. Point is, we are on the outside looking in, we have no idea. And if the Redskins sign yet another receiver, they are going to be overloaded. They have 3-4 guys who I see as 1st or 2nd receivers on most teams in the NFL, as well as one of the brightest up and coming TE’s in the league, in Cooley. (Plus he has the most badass hair, haha.) Doubtful that they sign Bryant, and if they do, I doubt they retain everyone they had. Some of the guys we wanted are still out there, unclaimed by teams, everyone needs to chill out. The most popular choices were D. Hall and Max Starks, from what I recall, and both of those guys are still pretty much avaliable. And I just skimmed through the comments but did someone just say Welbourn was ‘decent’? I’d have to ask you if you have eyes, sir, because, in the name of Lamar Hunt, I couldn’t see a thing that Welbourn did ‘decently’. An eight year old with spinal meningitis could block better than he could. And Herb Taylor/Will Svitek are your average backup linemen, everyteam has ‘depth’, they are young, inexperienced for the most part (Svitek got owned, while trying to play LT) But I still think he would make a decent RT, give him some time behind a decent tackle he can learn from, and in a couple years Svitek will be ours (or another team’s) starting RT.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:50 pmThe chiefs should look into trading for DeAngelo Hall. i think it would be a better move than trying to get Lito Sheppard. He is younger, and can return kicks.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:54 pmChiefsuperfan69, the Chan Gailey playbook isn’t going to be that complicated. That much has already been said. The beginning of the year is going to be ‘vanilla’ compared to what goes on later, but that will let all the youngsters (as well as everyone trying to adjust to a new offensive system) time to experience the plays in-game. That is invaluable, how many plays did D-Bowe blow up? Not many, and many of the plays he was in for were ‘toned-down’ because he hadn’t grasped the whole playbook yet, based on his lateness to training camp. Every team, every year, has rookies on the roster, and every year, every team, plays at least one of those rookies, yes there will be mistakes. Veterans also make mistakes. I think you’re making that into a bigger picture than what it really is. All rookies have to cram that playbook into their head, and no one ever gets everything 100% correct. The Packer’s were the youngest team in the league, and among many screw-ups, they ended up 13-3 in the regular season. I’d take that over 4-12 with an older team, any season, every season.
March 3rd, 2008 at 1:57 pmxxx you may be right , just getting a little worried that well end up in the same boat as last year ! we DO have needs at o line and w DONT have the talent onhand ! just wish they could show all us hardcore chief fans some sort of sighn that they are trying to get some people in here to help ! LJ cannot pull berry sanders type jukes (as we all seen last year) in the backfield and get 10 yds !
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:06 pmxxxlp i don’t thinks Chiefsuperfan69 is getting al worked up over the fact the chiefs aren’t doing anything, its the fact that they schedule visits so far out that the players have signed before the chiefs get their visit. It seems to happen like that every year. This year is no different… ie. Josh Brown, Jaques Reeves, now Michael Gaines who cnnsi.com is reporting has signed with the lions. That is the frustrating part. I can handle if these guys tell us No we get that all the time with the royals, i can’t handle when we don’t give them that chance.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:07 pmI have to be honest with you guys, I thought I was going to get hammered on this one. I’m glad alot of you guys agree with me. I stil think there are good players out there to be had. This is stallworth’s 4 team in 4 years, I think that is a little bit of a red flag right there.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:13 pmAs Much as I like Lito, I like D.Hall a hell of a lot more for this team… xxxlp, my only issue is that, sure Starks And Hall are available NOW, BUT at the rate KC’s been going, its looking worse by the hour… I say we make a run at D.Hall (offering our 3rd round and whatever jo blo idea), bring in Bryant to see how Herm and Chan like ‘em, and then throw up an offer at Starks and see how Pittsburgh responds… THEN we’ll work on the draft… its that simple. They Have the money, they have the numbers, they need to make the call.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:13 pmIf we can get D.Hall, we can forget about Lito and possibly letting go of Jared… Cause we still have Surtain AND (IMO) Brack. who is gonna get so much better each game.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:18 pmA DeAngelo Hall-to-the-Giants trade is reportedly "dead for now."Hall wants an Asante Samuel type contract from the team he’s traded to. The Giants haven’t been big players in free agency, but are working to keep and extend their own. Hall remains a good bet to be off Atlanta’s roster by summer.Source: Westchester Journal News we can forget about d hall too ! we wont pay him that kind of cash !!!
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:24 pmI agree with you both- we should be more active at least, in getting the guys TO Arrowhead Drive, if not to play in it. But, Herm knows what he’s doing in the off-season. And the last two drafts have been pretty good, and you can’t really fault the Medlock pick, he was rated higher than any other college kicker, and I still think it was just because he was left footed and it messed the timing up with the snapper/holder/kicker. He seemed to me like he hesitated when the ball was snapped, I think it should have been ironed out by the time the season started but… meh.. Other than that, most of the picks have been solid contributors or starters. We’ve got more draft choices this year than in previous years and we have someone who knows what to do with them. I too, was hoping on some names coming to the Chiefs. Still hope on Bryant Johnson, because I doubt he’ll be a ‘Skin. Still want Samie Parker to leave via FA, or get cut, and replaced by someone the likes of Drew Carter. Still would like a better nickelback than Benny Sapp, he’s good at blitzing…. That’s about all I can say about him. Still would like to see Max Starks, T, Pittsburgh, and Jacob Bell, G, Tennessee, get picked up as well. Did anyone watch the Tennessee v. San Diego playoff game? When the Titans had two backup O-linemen in, (C, and G) and DOMINATED Shawn Merriman and that great passrush SD has? Thing of beauty, and we could use that blocking on our squad. I’m hoping for things too, but come draft time, we’ll be alright. Not as loaded as some, including me, had hoped, but we will be sitting pretty well.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:30 pmyeah Roc27, I totally for got about Shane Olivea being available. Bring that big man in, along with Maurice Williams. Those two right there are young players who are solid and will not fetch top dollar. Picture this______ Mcintosh (LT) Brian Waters (LG) Darft Pick (C)Maurice Williams (RG) and Shane Olivea (RT). We could pick a Cente rin the second or third round or go with Niswanger. COME ONE CHIEFS THIS IS THE O-LINE I WANT TO SEE, MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!!!
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:33 pmThe only problem I could see with bringing in D. Hall is the cash he would want, especially if it IS a Samuel type contract. We aren’t going to spend that kind of money on a cb, even one as decent as Hall, or we probably would have at least attempted to negotiate with Samuels. The thing about D. Hall that makes him great is his pure speed and his agility. I’ve watched many of his games/highlights, and he usually has his on the QB, which can lead to trouble for most CB’s, but he’s just purely fast enough, and dextrous enough, to cover any distance/direction the WR has gone, and make a play. That would be a HELL of a lot better than watching Ty Law ’sit and wait’ for players to come to him, only to get juked out of his freakin’ socks because he’s lost a step. If D. Hall ever gets hurt badly (knee/ankle) and loses any of his speed/athleticism, I think he will become just an average CB, because he will keep doing what he does, watching the QB, but won’t be in position all the time to make a play, and he will get burned. That’d be the only reason I’d be wary of him getting a big money, multi-year contract here.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:37 pmJeremy, scratch that line idea, D-Mac will definetly not be at LT next year, and if he is, let’s start praying for Brodie and LJ right about.. now.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:39 pmd mac proved last year hes not our LT !! i like starks and bell better in the line up ! here ya go ! —-LT starks –LG waters — C bell ?? —RT olivea — RT d mac !! yeah i like that ! the ? is the center not sure how bell is in that pos !!
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:44 pmCSF69 Max Starks is not a LT, He’s plays Right because of his size and his lack of athletic ability. He’s a great run blocker but struggles with pass blocking because of his poor footwork. Anybody who has actually read about Starks should know this. It’s called not being on the bandwagon and investigating for one’s self.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:51 pmIm Not all that sure that we’ll sign 3 O-linemen through FA… But if we had to grab 2. I’d Definitely love Starks And Olivea! Try this on for size… (depending on the draft)… LT: Starks LG: Waters C: Niswanger RG: D Mac RT: Olivea … and if we DO come up on Long OR Otah, He moves to LT, Starks RT and Olivea LG . . . Waters: C and D Mac RG…. Hahahaha! I Dont Know.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:55 pmwow donovan just been sitting there all day waiting for that havent ya ! your an ass ! i did read about the guy and yeah i didnt think it trough very well just wrote it out ! so you can go piss off sir !!!! sorry to everyone else about my poor lineup !!
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:58 pmThen Again, I WOULDNT be suprised if theres crazy moves like that… This Entire O-line Needs to be restructured.
March 3rd, 2008 at 2:59 pmYell at me if you like, but I do not think McIntosh played terrible at LT last year, and I watched every game (From CA BTY). He was hurt a couple games, and the whole chemistry was off on the whole O-line. I would love to find another LT, but the reality…(considering the pace we are going and position in the Draft)…is that he will be at LT again, unless we use our number one pick on a LT. That looks slim since Jake Long will be gone, and Clady is a reach at five. I agree with Donovan that M. Starks is not a true LT either, neither is Maurice Williams or Shane Olivea. …. Ditto the Sentiment on Jacob Bell (G). I guess we will have an open competition in camp for LT.
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:03 pmsorry i just get a little worked up when someone has to come off to people like that ! i know its monday but damn !
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:05 pmWe have so many people posting on this thing now, that we are posting over each other. by the time I read a post and typed another one three others posted…..hilarious…lol…lol
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:05 pmWow Guys, we went to town on this post. . . THATS what I Love about AA… We ACTUALLY pay attention and are apart of this site… The Other fan siter comment once or twice in anything.
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:08 pmWhat is really funny is all these posts about the O-line and who will play what position when we have not even brought these guys in for a look. HAHAHA. Hurry up Chiefs Brass bring in one O-lineman!
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:09 pmWell Donovan I don’t know where you have done your reading, but if you would check out ESPN you would see that Starks is suited to play either tackle position. It is a little place where all they talk about is sports. They had to say this, "An injury opened the door for Starks at left tackle last season, and he played remarkably well. His performance indicates Starks can handle himself as a starting tackle on either side." I guess if I could read I would take that to mean if we needed him to play LT for us then he could, but maybe you should translate that for me. You may also want to apologize to chiefssuperfan69 for being an ass. We are all just chiefs fans talking on here and not experts so sorry if we said something wrong.
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:10 pmill give you that d mac wasnt turley over there but he was beat badly at times too ! you may be right he may need time to mature at that pos. ! if they give him some help from a decent fb or more chip blocks he could very well make it at lt ! who really knows !
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:10 pmCSF69 I’m sorry I had to make you feel bad. Yeah I was waiting for a while for you to make a dumb comment like that. Are you serious quit acting like a little girl. I merely mentioned your name because you were the last one to mention it. If I had to go back and tell everyone who wanted Starks to be our new LT, it would take me days. So grow up and realize that this is bigger than just you.
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:11 pmDont apologize csf69… You can have an opinion… ESPECIALLY here… depending on our draft, I WOULDNT be suprised if we stick Starks in at LT. If we gave D Mac Ane Will Freakin Svitek a shot at the position, Why Not Starks?
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:13 pmits jst odd to me that the first thing out of you all day was a snotty remark ! its not all about me its just what i thought would be a good o line ! have you ever dreamed a little ! by the way thanks clinton for being a true chief brother !
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:19 pmWoooooooo!!!! Now THERES a comment I Like to hear from YOU Clinton!!!!
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:20 pmthanks roc27 another true brother !!! band wagon anyone ….lol
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:20 pmNo need to apologize here. We all have, and are entitled to, an opinion. Technically, we are all armchair QB/General Managers. I am just glad I can share my opinion in this forum, however brilliant, and/or idiotic my opinion may seem. I am an Arrowheadaddict, and I don’t need or want a twelve step program!
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:22 pmClinton - I forgot reading was for experts and on your so called ESPN article, I searched up and down the ESPN archives to look for your so called "article". It’s funny because I couldn’t find it. Max Starks is a natural RT because LE tend to be run stoppers. It would be a huge risk to spend nearly 7 million dollars on a player that has lost his job in Pittsburgh TWICE! The only reason Pittsburgh is holding onto him is because Faneca is gone and Marvel Smith is very up and down. Being a Chiefs fan means appreciating all that is the Chiefs and becoming knowledgeable on the what’s best for them.
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:23 pmcsf69… Donovan has a tendency of knocking people when he gets a chance. And most of it is retarded… Just like my boy Jay -Z would … get that dirt off your shoulders.
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:24 pmDude, Donovan… Different teams have different systems. You Cant base what Starks was able to do in Pittsburgh… We ARENT Pittsburgh. We Have different strengths and weaknesses. We have different coaches. A different/better RB (LJ ALL DAY!) So, You can play judge like that bro.
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:33 pmone things for sure even the decent o lineman are drying up out there ! we need to make at least one move dont we ! dang guys come on !!
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:33 pmCAN’T!
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:35 pmWell maybe you should look harder. If you would look into the free agent tracker, which Max Starks is and then you look at Max Starks you will read this “so called article.” You can read it over and over and over again, but it is still going to tell you the same thing I just did.
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:36 pmPosts and threads like these are the reason we started AA! This is awesome! I’m going to have to do another entire post on the state of FA in response. Probably drop that tomorrow, becuase we know we aren’t going to do anything today. Just remember, keep it civil and keep it to football–we all wear Red and Gold here.
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:40 pmUnless St. Louis acquires an up and coming OT through FA (just like almost all of us think the Chiefs should!), I think it’s almost certain they will take Jake Long. OT is their most glaring need imo.
It doesn’t bother me at all that the Chiefs have not signed any “big money” free agents. What bothers me more than anything is their apparent lack of effort. We are hearing nothing about visits being scheduled with anybody that has the potential to help in our areas of greatest need! Why not at least get the ball rolling by at least setting up visits for Bryant, Starks, Scott, Williams, Hadnot, and/or Hall?
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:57 pmwow adam way to come along and throw water on the fire ! lol… fact is we are all passionate about our chiefs ! thats what makes us the best fans in the country!!
March 3rd, 2008 at 3:58 pmdouble d scroll up to 40 ! thats why we wont bring in d hall imo !!! thought hadnot was going to sign somewhere but guess it fell through ! yes bring em in ! bryant is very happy with visit with bills ! fact is they wont let him leave last i checked , i look for them to sign him today !
March 3rd, 2008 at 4:08 pmI think our biggest worry isn’t STL. I think that now Atlanta signed Michael Turner they might focus in on rebuilding their line for him. STL defense is extremely weak. So is Atlanta’s and since Atlanta’s new head coach was a Defensive Coordinator they might look to draft one of the top 4 defensive prospects (Ellis, Dorsey, Long, and Gholston). We might have a shot of Long falling to us, and we might even move up a couple of picks. But chances are Peterson won’t do a thing about our glaring needs.
March 3rd, 2008 at 4:08 pmI believe the Falcons will draft Matt Ryan now. I really do. Ryan and Turner will help them turn the page from the Vick-Dunn-Mora/Petrino-Crumpler-Hall era. I think Blank wants new faces of the franchise.
March 3rd, 2008 at 4:14 pmHey Donovan is back, or as I like to call him now - One Nut (for those of you who might have missed it just go back and read Article: burning question#4)….Donovan, you have to start lightening up Bro….The Chiefs have REALLY pissed me and everyone else off this past weekend so you probably don’t want to go there anymore because I would really love to unload on someone just like YOU!…..If someone here - me included thinks that Starks can translate to LT then you can do one of two things……either agree with it, or disagree with it - but when you act like a jack@#&* then I am coming after you…..Sorry Adam, I am trying to keep it civil…..anyways one nut, just wanted to jump in after catching up after a meeting.
March 3rd, 2008 at 4:16 pmhope there is a way we can trade our #5 pick for dallas 2 first rounders ! the cost there talking for a top 5 pick this year is nuts ! we could build big time if that happend ! if i know dallas they want the super bowl this year so it is likely if run-dmc is there on our pick they may trade !
March 3rd, 2008 at 4:17 pmI would love to get a trade with Dallas for their two first rounders and maybe a 2nd and/or 3rd. I don’t know why but Brandon Albert is really intriguing to me, and I would love to get him with the 22nd pick.
March 3rd, 2008 at 4:25 pmchances of jake long falling to us is pretty much nill lets face it ! so now its down to whos left ! if we dont sign allen to long term by draft day were going to need a de ! long or gholston ! gholston would be my guess ! just a thought
March 3rd, 2008 at 4:29 pmdang clinton think we could get that much out of them ! two 1 and a second or third may be a bit of a stretch but who knows !
March 3rd, 2008 at 4:32 pmAdam, I Agree… ATL picks Ryan. It makes ALL the sense in the world in rebuilding their franchise…. Clinton, Id take Otah With the 22nd pick then DRC with the 2nd 1st round Dallas would trade (what is it 27th or 28th) … That round alone would cover a lot of ground… then we can use our 33rd pick on a Guard or WR.
March 3rd, 2008 at 4:35 pmdont dog me here but do we get a comp pick for loosing shields ? i know it said for free agents lost but didnt know about retired players !
March 3rd, 2008 at 4:36 pmI don’t know how much they would want RUN DMC, but according to the trade chart we could at least get the two firsts and the second. It would probably be better to go with Otah, I just for some reason have a fascination with Albert. He is a huge individual that can play both tackle and guard. I would love to also get DRC with the 28th, but I have a feeling after the combine he will be long gone even by our 22nd pick. But who knows. It doesn’t matter what we think, just want the scouts, coaches, and GM’s think.
March 3rd, 2008 at 4:45 pmSorry, "what" not "want" in that last sentence.
March 3rd, 2008 at 4:46 pmhttp://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=3274514 Clayton says Chiefs are loser in free agency due to inaction.
March 3rd, 2008 at 4:50 pmhas anyone seen the article on ur new fullback in arrowheadpride.com? pretty dang funny …..well sad really !!!!
March 3rd, 2008 at 4:58 pmStarter: Oliver Hoyte - I’m placing Hoyte in the starter’s role only because he was the starter at the end of the year. Personally, I don’t believe he will be the starter in 2008, that role will either go to Deon Anderson or a player currently not on the roster. Hoyte was a former ILB that was moved to the offensive side of the ball under the previous coaching regime and remained there for 2007. Hoyte’s skills as a FB are limited to blocking; he doesn’t present a threat as a ball-carrier or a receiver out of the backfield. Even Hoyte’s main strength, blocking, has flaws. He’s a very willing and physical blocker, and when he hits a defender with proper leverage he can deliver a devastating blow. But too often he fails to find the correct defender to block in order to open a hole and he can also take a bad angle in his blocking that limits the effectiveness of the hit.Hoyte sprained his neck last year, missing six games. Even with that minimal playing time, Hoyte was lucky. Cowboys’ rookie full back Deon Anderson was out the entire season with a shoulder injury, prompting the Cowboys to fill in with Hoyte. Without Anderson’s injury, Hoyte doesn’t take the field in 2007. Don’t you cringe at the idea of a fullback with a neck injury?
March 3rd, 2008 at 5:04 pmthats the jest of it ! makes you wonder what there doing huh ??
March 3rd, 2008 at 5:05 pmSteven: Solid article here, man.One thing needs to be mentioned, though. Championship rosters are not built in one off-season. Tweaked? Yes. Solidified? Certainly. Built entirely? Never. Herm’s and Bill Kuharich’s solid talent evaluation and Clark Hunt’s seemingly full commitment to Herm’s process. I know it’s tough for Chiefs fans to stomach right now, but the idea of this whole thing is that names like J. Page, D. Johnson, B. Pollard, T. Hali, T. Tyler, D. Bowe, (maybe) B. Croyle are at least going to be really solid professionals in a year or two, if not challenging for Pro-Bowl roster spots (especially D. Johnson, and D. Bowe, maybe T. Hali). Look at it like this: Kerry Rhodes and Jonathon Vilma are two of the better players at their respective positions. Herm drafted both of them. I know Vilma was hurt, but you’d be hard pressed finding a scout to say Vilma still isn’t an extremely solid ILB/MLB. We’re not going to draft a Pro-Bowler every round this year, or any other year for that matter. We’re not going to strike gold with every free-agency signing. And more importantly, we’re not going to over-pay FA’s to look good in the paper. The Chiefs can’t fabricate talent. A player’s talent isn’t determined by his paycheck. We’re going to continue to frugally sign free agents, hope to draft well this spring, coach the hell out of every player on the roster, and hope that some of our players step up.
March 3rd, 2008 at 5:07 pmBy the way, Stephen, my above post wasn’t directed to attack you, or anyone really, I just wanted to speak what I was feeling at the time.
March 3rd, 2008 at 5:09 pmI just got home from work today and read through the entire post and I have to agree with whoever said how great this site is, I’ve been stopping by for three or four months and I’m addicted as well. Its nice to have so many people out there as obsessed or possibly more obsessed with the chiefs than I am. Also its good one stop shopping for all the info thats fit to read. On an actual football note, I’m sad that we aren’t out signing more guys or seemingly anyone, but its the way they’ve done it since I can remember and they’ve fielded some pretty decent teams over the years. I’m trying to relax is the point and see what happens, they have to have a few tricks up their sleeve. Finally, Donovan, I don’t get how folks like you can sign onto these things and act as if you’re superior to everyone on here. I hate to break this to you but your just another dude who likes the chiefs and thinks you know a little bit about football, we’re all in that boat, and unless I’m mistaken, no one has called any of us and asked us to scout for them. If you walked up to a group of guys talking about football in a bar I really doubt that you’d immediately start telling them what dumbasses they are for not agreeing with you. So stop being a douche bag and treat the rest of the guys that are just like you with a little respect. Just my two cents.
March 3rd, 2008 at 5:13 pmHaha! Donovan is like the drunk uncle in our (AA) family… You know he’s lame, you feel ashamed, but you love him the same. . . Much Love Donovan. . . This post title says it all…
March 3rd, 2008 at 5:37 pmThat’s a good two cents Jay - welcome to the site!
March 3rd, 2008 at 5:38 pm… and I said solid a bunch… ehh… it’s Monday…
March 3rd, 2008 at 5:41 pmI think it’s just as likely that Atlanta will draft a DT with their 1st pick instead of Ryan. Is there any reason to believe that Atlanta is particularly enamored with Ryan? Any reason not to believe that the Falcons wait until the 2nd round to get their next QB? Anyway, it looks to me like Miami takes DE Chris Long. The Rams, they need OT, OG, SLB, DE, QB, CB, WLB, S, & WR - basically in that order. Do they reach for Gholston instead of Jake Long? I doubt it. Raiders need WR, OT, DT, DE, OG, & C. If they have Jake Long there, they take him because Dorsey’s stock has fallen due to injury questions. If Long is not there, then they either take Dorsey or Gholston. Unless they can trade out of their spot - that leaves the Chiefs with a choice DMC, Ryan, McKelvin/DRC, or Clady. Maybe Clady is a #5 - I don’t know. Do I think Ryan *could* be franchise QB - yeah, but I don’t want to take that risk right now without a line to protect him. What I do know is that this type of scenario is the entire reason why need to sign a FA OT before the draft - otherwise we end up handcuffed to Clady at #5. I also know I saw King Carl walking into Halls yesterday afternoon instead of working his phone and that pissed me off too!!!
March 3rd, 2008 at 5:42 pmAnd jay, that was me who was saying how great this site is… My girlfriend says, ” I guess its not called ‘Arrowhead ADDICT’ for nothin’.” She MAY be able to get me off Madden (on XBOX live) for a few hours, but when Im not on my laptop checking the latest here, Im on my cell phone seeing whats going on… AA! GO CHIEFS!
March 3rd, 2008 at 5:42 pm… and congrats on the love you guys are getting for the site… okay, that’s all I’ll say!
March 3rd, 2008 at 5:45 pmlooks like we missed out on bell too! lookes like rams going to get him !
March 3rd, 2008 at 6:40 pmThanks for all the love, everybody. Our one-year birthday is rapidly approaching. Hard to believe.
Remember, guys, easy on the bashing–we are all Chiefs fans here
March 3rd, 2008 at 6:55 pmAnd, Steven, Zach and I just want to formally thank you for the kind words. As always, we try!
March 3rd, 2008 at 9:50 pmFor the 100th post, I’d like to suggest the Chiefs lose the White jerseys and go with the Gold with Red letters…Just a thought.
March 3rd, 2008 at 10:45 pmCrane, what about we keep the white jerseys, and go with gold pants… That might be hot! Or red jersey’s with the gold pants… and ofcourse red and white trim. I think we’re due for a SLIGHT upgrade…. For some reason, I REALLY like the home Pro Bowl uniforms. Red jerseys, white numbers, and white lining, white pants and red side stripe (similar to the Broncos stripe). Regular red socks and white cleats… Very simple. But sometimes, simple is good… (ie. Colts, Bears, and Steelers)… Check this out… Tell me what you think.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/zenzenok/99918008/ and instead of the blue in the uniforms, we’d have our trademark gold (duh)
March 4th, 2008 at 1:28 amWow, I missed out yesterday! I have been finishing up my Masters and didn’t have time to check the site.
I just want to thanks everyone as well for your support. You guys are what make the site!
I figured this might be a good time to ask our readers what they would like added or changed to the site? I will probably make a post later, but I would like some ideas from you guys.
March 4th, 2008 at 7:21 amAdam- an active mock type depth chart for the upcoming season that is a like a footer at the bottom of the page would be nice, you could have an asterick or other visual indicators for things like contact year or franschise tag; might be nice for readers so we can see quickly what we think were talking about.
March 4th, 2008 at 9:16 amHOW ABOUT RANDY MOSS, WES WELKER JEFF GARCIA, TO NAME A FEW
March 4th, 2008 at 9:34 amOK, WE DIDN’T SIGN ANY BIG TIME FA’S. AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE VERY FEW PLAY MAKERS, AND WILL NEVER WIN A PLAYOFF GAME WITHOUT SOME GOOD PLAYERS. THE PROBLEM IS, CARL IS GOOD AT MANAGING MONEY BUT NOT GOOD AT GETTING US PLAYOFF WINS. I UNDERSTAND THAT WE’RE NOT WASTING MONEY, BUT WE ALSO WILL HAVE A CRAPPY TEAM NEXT YEAR. IF YOU GO FOR GUYS LIKE FANECA, AND SAMUEL YOU AVE MORE PLAYMAKERS, THUS A BETTER CHANCE TO GO TO THE BIG SHOW.LOOK AT NEW ENGLAND, THEY ADD SOME BIG TIME PLAY MAKERS LAST YEAR, AND BREAK ALMOST EVERY RECORD POSSIBLE, AND SHOULD HAVE WON THE BIG GAME. ALL I’M SAYING IS ,TO RUN A SUCCESSFUL BUSINESS YOU HAVE TO TAKE RISKS, AND SIGNING A CONVERTED FULLBACK SEEMS LIKE MORE OF A WAIST THAN ANYTHING. (ALLA-BOOMER)
March 4th, 2008 at 9:46 amhttp://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3269224This seems relevant to this general discussion. ESPN ranked their top 10 free agents of all time. The chiefs were the only team on it twice with Marcus Allen at number 4 and Priest Holmes at number 6, I would reverse those, I feel like Priest was better than Marcus during his time here, but both of these were under Carl Peterson. I don’t know what that means, but it could be an interesting discussion. Also he took a lot of heat for drafting Larry Johnson, maybe Carl should just be a scout for running backs. lol
March 4th, 2008 at 10:42 amD.Thomas, I’m somewhat with you… and I’ve been saying that this WHOLE time! Just the same way we take risks in the draft. And in my opinion, I think its a lot more riskier to draft a kid, cause what if he doesnt work out? You’ve just wasted time, money, energy. With guys like Allen Faneca, Asante Samuel, or Shaun Rogers, if they dont work out, you’ve REALLY only wasted money… And thats what I dont get. I understand that we wanna build our team through the draft, but to not bring in a FEW veteran guys to take the lead of a team and show the younger guys how to really play the game is ANYONE’S guess… I just wish that we made a couple moves… I was reading the Kansas City paper (online)… and Herm said in his interview that he doesnt wanna "sign big names just cause it looks good on paper"… I just about lost it. It’s like all of us here at AA know the NFL. We KNOW who’s out there, what our team needs… Its like "Ok Herm, do you think that Max Starks cant help us be a better team? What about DeAngelo Hall? What about Bryant Johnson?… Do you REALLY feel like these guys are just a waste of money??" … Then WHY re-sign Larry Johnson? Why re-sign Tony Gonzalez? What about Brian Waters? He’s what, 31? 32 years old? Why not release him, if we’re haveing this so-called "youth movement"? Same with T.G… He’s 32, 33 years old. Why dont we release him??? Because HE is GREAT!! Waters is great! L.J. isnt quite 30 but he’s one of those "big names" that "look good on paper" yet we threw so much money at him to stay in Kansas City… why? You got it… Cause he is GREAT! So, ask yourself… Is signing a 26 year old Tackle, another 26 year old Wide Reciever, and a freakin’ 24 year old Cornerback really gonna hurt the team??? I dont think so. Starks and B. Johnson are EXACTLY what Herm said he was looking for. "Going into their 2nd contract" - "A guy that was stuck behind a starter" -"YOUNG!!!" The only thing with D.Hall, is that he could be that ONE big name Free Agent (who has so much talent to bring to the team)…. I dont know. Its frustrating… Plus, didnt Bryant Johnson play with Larry Johnson at Penn State?? Eh, whatever… Herm, Carl, and Clark are gonna do what they wann do… nothin’.
March 4th, 2008 at 11:05 amAdam #2, you don’t need to apologize to me buddy, I love all the comments good or bad, as long as they are about the Chiefs or articles someone on here has written or wrote in the past. That is the main reason me and the others write these articles is to let fellow Chiefs fans feel envolved. This is a great forum for all of us to do just that. Our goal is to make this the best site for Chiefs fans to visit everyday for the latest commentary, news and updates. Thanks everybody, this is awesome!
March 4th, 2008 at 1:21 pm