Friday Free Agency Open Thread

xxlp & Clinton... I get what you guys are saying. BUT I refuse to go into ANY season "KNOWING" that we wont go to the Super Bowl... Sure, maybe the chances are slim and against us. Fine. I can live with that... But Ive said it before and I'll say it again.... This is a league where there is a THIN line between greatness and horrible... and that line can be crossed ANY season. Look at how close we came to winning in EACH (besides the 2nd Denver game) of our games... Youre telling me that that was SUPPOSED to happen?? Uh-Uh! I never said that Herm is doing a bad job at drafting. I think he's doing great... but we need to do SO much more than draft well... Such as Free Agency (in which we are sucking air at right now... and in which I'm pissed about). I understand we have a nice grip of guys that we're gonna draft and probably have to sign... and that we MAY need that salary cap for those guys ( Jared Allen & others)... BUT we've signed  LB... Thats it? We didnt get Stallworth, Faneca, Vilma, Wilford, Brown... for crying out loud, we didnt even get Florence... and now Bryant Johnson is looking to visit Buffalo... It's like, I get that Herm is going off the radar for guys... but really. C'mon... Like I said, if we can at least sign DeAngelo Hall, Max Starks, and maybe a solid guard (maybe work out  deal for Lito Sheppard) then I'd be a pretty happy guy... But we're not doing a damn thing.... Moving on... Clinton & xxxlp... I'm not saying that to be "die hard" means to KNOW that your team will make it to the big show... No. not at all. Thats stupid... But have a little faith that we have it in us to make some sort of run towards it. No one gave the Giants the time of day for Super Bowl talk... It was all  New England, Dallas, Indy, and MAYBE the Packers... Yet, Ive NEVER heard a "die hard" fan ( of any team) say "Oh, well... we wont be going to the Super Bowl this year" before the season even started. You dont even know what our team is gonna look like. Nor what we can do... A couple season ago, EVERYONE I knew doubted and laughed their asses off when I said we'd go to the playoffs... then next thing you know, I'm watching Denver rank to the 9'ers in the final game of the season... and loan behold; Our boys are headed to Indy... I went back to work that Monday with my head held high, and not hearing a damn thing from co-workers all day. I was proud. And to ME!- THATS what being "die hard" is all about... Never doubting your team, even when times look rough... you stick with them no matter what. Now, I'm NOT saying that you guys DON'T stick with our team... but the doubt kills me. It really does. We ALREADY have the Total Access guys, ESPN, CBS football, FOX sports, EVERY Raider fan, and most people who watch football at that doubting our team... so to see our OWN doubt us, it's just like "Hey, wait a minute there." 

John can you let us know who is reporting this?

Breaking News, Oakland Raiders just signed Ian Gold to 2 year contract.

16-0*. God, I really need to proof-read. Too many mistakes in there :D

Roc, I love the enthusiasm.. But you don't have to think that to be a 'true, die-hard' fan. I'm mostly with Clinton, Herm and Co. have done a SUPERB job drafting the last couple years. Superb you ask? It was just 'decent'. Compare it to what we've had since the year 2000, and those two drafts alone were spectacular. Herm's also had good drafts in NY as Head Coach. Let the man do his work. While I agree, a couple key free agents here and there, can surely help, and would vastly improve the squad... *cough, OLINEMEN, cough cough* the fact of the matter is; that even if we went out and pulled what NE did last year, we probably aren't going to the SuperBowl. Don't get me wrong, I hope we do, and I HATED watching last season. And one day it's my dream to go to a Super Bowl with the Chiefs in it, but next year? Doubtful. VERY doubtful. We have a lot of up-and-coming guys, and you never know what can happen. Look at the Packers. 13-3 and a nice playoff run, with the youngest team in the NFL. Look at the Patriots, 17-0 and same result. They went home at the end of the day. There are plusses and minuses to whichever side you choose. But look at our recent FA history. Donnie Edwards fit, because he was a former Chief. Kickers? Not so much. Napoleon Harris, decent fit for a Cover-2. Kendrell Bell? Money-sucker. For every hit, there's a miss. For every good guy, there's a guy who will sit on our bench, leech a few mil, and be content with where he's at. Meanwhile, in the draft, we get those young hungry guys, who are for the most part, better athletes... And yes, there are those draft picks that don't work out, but there's a difference. The draftee's don't cost NEARLY the amount of money that FA's usually do. (At least after the first day, anyway, haha) We can't afford to have a JaMarcus Russel. But we need those young guys.

Nope I am a Raider Hater and a die hard Chiefs fan which is why I would love them to get the Super Bowl.  I guess we are different.  I am realize the Chiefs were not a great team last year and that we need a lot to fill the holes.  It isn't going to happen in one offseason.  It probably isn't going to happen in two offseasons, but at least we can hope that in 2 or 3 years we will have some young talent that learn to play together and more importantly learn to win together.

I Hope you dont call yourself a 'die hard' Chiefs fan. . . cause quite frankly, thats not the way a TRUE fan thinks. . . . . . . maybe if youre part of The Raider Nation... But this isnt the Black Hole, bro. This Is The Red F*ckin Sea.

Ok, Clint... 1st of all. Im NOT living in this "fantasty land" you speak of... I ALSO know what this team needs in order to be successful. And at this point we need a lot to work on... Its cool to know that we both live in the real world, but yet we ARE different... I cant go into this (or ANY) season thinking "Whatever, we're not making the playoffs or going to the Super Bowl this season." So, what hope do you have? What? For a winning season years later? Gimme a break, man.

JA is a fan favorite, I don't see the Chiefs moving him.  Lito is a premier corner in this league, there is not doubt.  I just think eventually the extra coin that would go into signing Lito to an extension IF they traded will go towards keeping JA here for the long haul.  This is why I dislike Carl most of the time (not all the time).  He tries to play these leverage game all the time with players.  He needs to wake up and realize he has maybe the best DE in the league right now on the Chiefs, pay him what he is worth, quit trying to low-ball him and let's move on-both the Chiefs and us, the fans.

Hey ROC27, I am sorry if you do not like my train of thought.  I am not being negative.  We have so many needs that we must get as many top draft picks as possible.  This way we can build for a great team in the future and not a decent team for the next season.  I don't know what fantasy land you live in, but I am in the real world and can be realistic and still love the Chiefs and know what is best for them. 

We couldn't turn down the Eagles 1st rounder+a young, quality CB. That deal is too good to be true (and probably isn't true).

He did play in a good secondary with Sheldown Brown and B-Dawk, but I still think he's one of the better corners. My preference would definitely be to keep Jared, but I could live with the deal.

Hey Clinton... I dont hate you... but I REALLY hate what you said. Thats the attitude we DONT need here at AA... What am I talking about? "we wont make the super bowl anyway." Dude, c'mon bro! I Get that we should be realistic, but that horrible negativity for a fan to have. . . a CHIEF fan, let alone. . GO CHIEFS!

I don't like Lito for Jared.  At all.  Is it me or is Brian Dawkins leadership what helps make Lito look real good too?  I could see him floundering in KC.  No self respecting corner wants to go AFC...too many good QB's when you have Brett Farve-types slinging it around in the NFC.  I vote NO on this trade/rumor.

FA Update:
Nevermind--Shaun Rogers is a Brown. They can afford to trade for two top-notch DTs and we can't afford to trade for one?
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Banny, you and I did that at the same time I think... lol...

FA Update:
Shaun Rogers-to-Bengals deal off.
Drayton Florence most likely will sign with Jags.
Pro Football Talk

From ProFootballTalk.comWith cornerback Asante
Samuel in the fold, the Eagles are now going to attempt to trade
cornerback Lito Sheppard, according to Adam Schefter of NFL Network.
Calls are already coming
in for Sheppard, a first-round draft pick in 2002 who is still only 26
years old. 
In recent weeks, there
were rumors that that Sheppard was on he block, and the team strongly
denied it.  In hindsight, it's likely that the Eagles didn't want
to tip their hand regarding their plans to pursue Samuel.
Sheppard is under contract
for four more seasons, with base salaries of $2 million in 2008, $3
million in 2009, $3.7 million in 2010, and $4.25 million in 2011.Looks like there is at least a little truth to the rumor.

It would be a stretch to get 3 first round picks.  That is a lot of guarenteed money to give up.

I would like to get a 1st, 3rd, and Sheppard, but that may be asking for a little too much.  With this we fill a lot of needs.  I would also like to trade our number 5 pick to Dallas for their two firsts,  2nd, and 3rd.  We could get an OT (probably Otah or Williams) at 19, Brandon Albert at 22, and maybe a wide receiver or defensive end at 28.  I know that is stretch, but that is what I am hoping for.  

I know I am going to be hated here, but I think the Chiefs are making the right moves.  We need to build the team through the draft.  We are not going to be a contender for a Super Bowl next year anyway so why spend a whole lot of money on free agents when we could save that money for players we draft this year and the next and the next.  I would love for this rumor about Allen-Sheppard trade to be true.  We could use some more draft picks. 

We may go another direction, I'm not sure. Remember, Carter, Hackett, Stallworth, Devery Henderson...lots of guys left. He coudl still visit, too. Hell, he could be here tomorrow. That's the nature of the game. We probably are focusing on Brown and Williams today, and then will move on at the end of the night depending on what happens. I expect us to sign one player before midnight. That's my prediction.

 wow running our of decent wr out there ! they better get going on johnson before bears get him . he would be great fit in kc didnt ever bitch about being 3rd wr no static hard worker ! what else they looking at !

where the hell are we right now are there ne sheduled visits with the chiefs???

FA Update:

Bryant Johnson is expected to visit the Bears next week.

Josh Brown will not be a Seahawk next year.

KFFL

Steven, I think you are talking about the Tampa 2 years back. The rules now favor receivers, and you have to have quality corners now. Herm brought in Ty Law, too, and he was more expensive than Lito would be.

Also, Jared was offended by the Chiefs last offseason and dislikes Carl. Simple as that. Plus, he wants to get paid like a premier DE.

wow the chiefs have done nothing yet typical let all the good players go and sign the leftovers ughhh!!!!!!!11

I wouldn't look for the Chiefs to pursue a trade for Lito Sheppard, whether it included JA or not.  The Tamp 2 doesn't put a premium on cb's.  Lito will be waaaaay to expensive for CP and the Herminator.  I believe, in this system, premium is paid for the front 4 on D.  That's why I can't understand why JA and the Chiefs can't come to an agreement.  Indy seemed to understand the concept. 

Sounds like the Eagles really are shopping Lito.  Man Adam, you are on it.  If this is true, I owe you an apolgy.

The Eagles will use Asante Samuel at left cornerback, Lito Sheppard's old position.They could look to trade Sheppard or possibly move Sheldon Brown to free safety now. Samuel has been far more durable and now makes much more money than Sheppard. Shopping Lito seems to be the most likely scenario.Source: Boston Globe    :-)

I would just like to add this.  It does not seem like we are interested in signing Boomer Grigsby, even if we do, is he going to make the team?  Boomer is Jared Allen's good/best friend.   How is Allen going to feel if he is cut or not signed at all?  What is Jared's attitude going to be like then, with Boomer gone?  Just  a thought.

Anyone know about Jacob Bell, Guard from the Titans.  I think he is unrestricted.  Any good?  Maurice Williams (OT/G) is still out there.   

Adam, thanks for keeping this the main post - I could only check a couple of times today and when I did check in the info was all over the place

Where is Redbeard... duh, duh, duh, duh, duh...

We want REDBEARD... duh, duh, duh, duh, duh...

FA Update:

No news on Max Starks, Maurice Williams or Bryant Johnson. Stay tuned...

It exists, straight out of Philly radio, but it is only like I always said it was--a rumor!

Ditto Roc27, Lets talk about real news, and not some unverified report about Lito Shepard/Allen Trade.  I have searched the web for any info on this and it doesn't exist, [yet anyway].  I would just like to add that the Tuna just signed Wilford, my heart is broken.  If the Tuna liked him, you bet your bottom dollar he is a solid player! :-(

right you are ! still the trade makes sence we can still get gholston with our first pick ! and have another pick in 1st round!

Guys. Wake me up when we start talking Starks, Stallworth, Hall, and LEGIT Lito news.

csf69, I believe what Allen Also said was that he needs to be re-signed to a long term deal. Sure, We put the tag on him cause we HAD to, the deadline... We didnt wanna put him on the block so, this gives us more time to work on the deal.

FA UPDATE:

Isaac Bruce going to visit San Fran. Mike Martz and Bruceback together?

Michael Turner is considering a offer fromt he Falcons.

well being upset at lack of action from kc so far in fa has got me ready to drain some beers you still made me laugh roc27 ! thats 2 funny !

At 1st It was tragic to see him carried off the field on a streatcher. . . but now its kinda becoming comical... lets see what uniform he'll be wearing NEXT time he gets his head knocked off.

Meanwhile, Charles Robinson of Yahoo! Sports is reporting that Gay is also drawing interest from Atlanta, Seattle, Detroit and Kansas City, and that it's also still possible that he'll stay in New England.

 well for what its all worth allen will not be a chief next year ! he already said if we tag him hes done here ! so no w is the time to get all we can out of him ! i thank hes a stud and should have kept him but thank carl for that !

St. Louis needs a backup QB. They let go of Good Ol' Gus... Some are saying that Trent will a sleeper... I say Hell Yeah he'll be a sleeper. . . yeah. When He's ASLEEP on the field with his 50th concussion. . . retard.

FA UPDATE:

Randall Gay, so I'll just tell you that he's visiting the Saints on Saturday and the Buccaneers on Monday.

Just saw our name being attached to Randall Gay from New England, whoop-a-dee-doo!!!

ROC, I hear ya!

banny, I dont think I like the trade for Lito. Lito is a good and young corner, but trading Jared Allen would cost a lot in my book.

So far... Im pretty disappointed. Pursuing an un-needed LB, an underachieving WR, a K that will probably sign somewhere else, and a recycled CB. (?) ...