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I hope your wrong… First, there is no such thing as a "sure thing" in the draft.Second, adrian peterson ran for something like 300 yards the last 6 games of the season, Reggie Bush is not an every down back. Looks like the Texans were right in taking Mario Williams first instead of Reggie.And last but not least, the Chiefs just spent a fortune on LJ, I can see them paying a top 5 draft pick RB more than LJ to have him sit on the bench most of the time. IF Jake is gone (remember the Rams drafted Barron to take the place of Orlando when the time comes, he in fact played LT this past season. I don’t know if the Rams would spend a 2 overall pick on essentially a RT) then I hope the Chiefs trade back.
"I can’t see the Chiefs paying a top 5 draft pick RB" is what I meant to say.
There is NO POSSIBLE WAY that if King Carl is the one making the pick, they would spend it on a running back…not with LJ’s salary! Carl likes to play it safe. He will take a M. Jenkins or J. Laurinaitis. Those are the ’safe’ picks for a GM. But I’m sure that if McNasty slipped to 5, we’d be getting lots of calls!!!
Otherwise…good mock, dude!
Good Point Paradise; If McFadden does make it to the Chiefs, it might be easier to trade out of. He more than any player in the top 10 would garner the most calls from other GM’s. Again, there is always a guy that moves way up the boards come combine time. Before it’s all said and done, there will be a name added to the top 10 prospects that isn’t there today.
Color me Crazy, but I think Rashard Mendenhall will be a better back for the Chiefs style of offense than will Darren McFadden. I would gladly trade picks with the cowboys, give them McFadden and we take Mendenhall and their other 1st round pick (and spend that one on best OT available). If Jake Long is gone by our pick, we must trade down to acquire more early picks.
Interesting board, but I agree that we’ve already invested in 2 RB’s and it was very apparent in the final press conference that Carl and Herm recognized the Off Line production and building a team won’t be done through free agency. Herm’s approach is clock management and defense. Our defense was on the field far too long for them to start with a RB. As an alternative, if they were going to go to the offensive side of the ball, they would consider someone who could return kicks AND become a 2nd Receiver.
Remember everybody, I didn’t do trades so I am essentially saying we can’t let Run DMC pass us by without making a trade happen. And, yes, I do think he’s a safe pick. Safer than Clady, Jenkins or Laurinaitis for certain.
Does anyone know when the coin flip happens? Has it already? The difference between 4 and 5 could be big, depending on where Big Jake goes.
Couldn’t find a date at all yet. I did find out that even if we lose the coin flip, we still rotate third, fourth and fifth pick with Atlanta and Oakland throughout the rest of the draft. That’s great news, especially considering that if we pick fifth we’ll have the 34th pick in the second instead of the 36th. That could be huge.
I didn’t realize that! Every night before I go to sleep, I wish upon a star that Aqib Talib falls into the second round!
With all due respect…. you’re crazy!!!! hahaha. Chiefs will not go RB with first pick. I am willing to bet you that the Chiefs go O-line with their first pick, even if they trade down. They may pick up a running back, but not until the late rounds. I still doubt they go RB. If McFadden is there ate #5 then we will trade that pick away. I hope he is so we can get another third or even second round pick. GO CHIEFS!
Call me crazy, but I say we get either a MLB or a CB. Ty and Pat were awesome… 5+ years ago. Napoleon Harris… not that good. He made some ‘ok’ tackles, yeah, but when did he spark our defense? I’ve seen him rest on some plays, where as the ‘captain of the defense’ he should be going full throttle. I know what you’re saying, O-line! Jake Long could be the next Robert Gallery, though. He IS over-rated. Maybe he ends up being good, but right now. He’s over-rated. And secondly, if you watched the Lions game at the end of the season, Herb Taylor was stuck in at left tackle, and he didn’t do THAT bad. He’s a young player, and can be molded. He’s got the quick feet and the acceleration that we want (and miss, damn you Willie Roaf!) Now he just needs experience. I still think Bober would be a better linemen (we either need to use him or let him go, because he’s not helping us on IR) we could plug him at center, leave Waters at his Pro Bowl place, guard, maybe draft another guard, or for the love of Brodie, bring in Faneca. So our line would be Taylor/Waters/Bober/-Rookie, or, Faneca/MacIntosh. We’ve had better, but folks, we’ve had a lot worse. Our middle linebacker, corner (or 2) (although I do like Brackenridge!) one defensive tackle spot, wide receiver/returner, fullback, and an outside linebacker to replace Donnie in a year or two, is what we need, IMHO. Of course, Kris Jenkins and Alen Faneca and any number of free agents would help us out. But I think overall I would like Glenn Dorsey, he’s the next Warren Sapp. And despite some of you not liking Sapp, he was a badass in his day. Tamba + Dorsey + Boone + Allen= QB’s not sleeping at nights.
Again, I didn’t do trades, so I couldn’t pass on Run DMC with Long and Ryan taken.
As for Dorsey, he also will probably be gone.
As for Talib, I really like him. I heard that those ignorent Mizzou fans call him "the terrorist," but I love the guy as a player. Who cares what his name is? Typical Tiger fan B.S.
PARADISE , I heard on the NFL network the coin flip is at the scouting combines.
I’m a Chiefs fan that has been living in the Dallas area for the past year and half. Jerry Jones has already stated that he is trying to do all he can to move up and draft McFadden. If McFadden is there and Long is gone, the only other smart move would be to deal the pick to Dallas and try to get their 2 first round picks. The Chiefs have MAJOR holes on that offensive line. And both Carl and Herm have gone on record saying it is a concern. Jake Long or maybe Ryan Clady should be the pick (whether or not Carl and Herm pull the trigger remains to be seen). What I’d like to see is the Chiefs go BIG on the offensive line (and I mean in size). If you look at the top 3 rushing teams this year, they have gigantic lineman. And Herm wants the ability to say – ‘I’m running right here, buddy, and you aren’t stopping me’. I think the best way to do that is to have BEASTS on the line. I’d like to see McIntosh move to right guard then Niswanger or Stallings at center. Add Long or Clady at LT and then maybe you’ve got something. But I would not be surprised if the Chiefs go heavy on offensive players in the first part of the draft. They need AT LEAST 2 young O-linemen out of this draft who can contribute, they also said they are looking for another WR in the mold of D-Bo, and they haven’t had a player at FB since T-Rich. Here’s how I think the first four rounds of the Chiefs draft will play out: 1) OT Jake Long (Mich) or Ryan Clady (BSU) 2) WR Adarius Bowman (OSU) or Mario Manningham (Mich) 3) DT Frank Okam (TX) 4) FB Owen Schmitt (WV) The third round pick is a toss up. They may look CB, LB, or 2nd OL.
Big Dave, Great thoughts.
My thing is if McFadden is on the board you HAVE to eaither trade or take him. Otherwise you are wasting the rare opportunity of having a player like that fall in your lap.
I like both Bowman and Manningham, and really like Schmitt, but I think all of those guys will be gone a round early than your projection. Still, I would love to see us take Schmitt in the third. If you have this big of an investment in L.J., you got to find him a new T-Rich. Period. Look at the Vikings running game, running behind T-Rich.
I also think Chiefs fans are underestimating the free agent offensive lineman crop. Very, very good group this year. Probably a better group than any other position. Again, another stroke of luck.
Additionally, I am starting to like Dorsey. I just don’t think carl will bet the house on another DT after Sims.
I don’t appreciate the Bungles comment. Don’t worry, you’ll get yours next season….the Queefs had no business winning that game either. Oh yeah, Chatman was in bounds, btw.
Just to clarify on the coin toss, it happens at the NFL combine.
We may trade to get DM but if not I say we go Corner then a speedy RB like Felix or Slaton or even Hart later
There might be a good crop of Olinemen, but the Chiefs (Herm and the King) didn’t sound like they were going to take any. When talking about FA in their final press conference, they mentioned signing a FA that would make a Chiefs fan shake their head and say"who". I really look for the Chiefs to focus primarily on the Offensive side of the ball this draft especially Oline. The motto will be "protect Brodie and open holes for LJ".
I like the idea of picking Darren McFadden if he is avaliable when the chiefs pick. If that scenario arises then why not trade Larry Johnson to the Cowboys for both of there First round picks. We could then take Ryan Clady at 22 and Aqib Talib at 31. That would be a start to fixing both the offense and Defense.
I dont think anybody touches LJ for two 1st rounders it would be better to trade down with the 4or 5 slot. It also looks like free agent lineman are going to be 1 or two spots for them to look at a quick fix at guard and one takle. Faneca is to old, but the guy from indy is 27 or 28 an played on a good o-line. The only way i would see them not trying to trade down is if Long is there otherwise no one has the value and fills the needs.
Jerry Jones might be the one dumb enough to trade 2 #1’s for LJ. Only THEN would I draft McFadden. I think a better possibility would be if Jake Long is gone, the Chiefs look trade down with someone that REALLY needs a QB or maybe really wants Sedrick Ellis. Chicago maybe? I think you could get thier 1 and 2 picks and maybe a day 2 pick. Then you still have a shot at Clady, Chris Williams or Otah AND maybe a high-end center (Steve Justice) and a solid corner in the second… If not Chicago, I have to believe Baltimore or Carolina might like to move ahead of the Jets for a shot at Woodson or Brohm.
This is a great post, Adam. You need to post more mock drafts before April. I’d like to see one from Zach and CWebb, too! Looking around, nfldraftblitz.com has us taking QB Woodson (I doubt it) and fantasyfootballjungle has us taking Clady at #4 (yikes).
All of this makes sense, except Rob. Why trade L.J.? The cap hit would be horrendous, and, remember, we’re 22-6 all time when he gets 20-plus carries.
Thanks, Paradise! More to come… You should check out our sister site NFL Mocks!
Adam; why trade LJ? Well first and formost he is a clubhouse cancer, there is no guarentee that he will even be the back that he was before he got hurt. There is a very good chance that LJ is used up. If they hold on to him, and he turns out to be another Preist Holmes, then the Chiefs are even more screwed for a longer period. I say get something for him while you can, because if you don’t then you could be setting the franchise back for years. McFadden would give you more versitility in the offense.
Rob said.. ‘I like the idea of picking Darren McFadden if he is avaliable when the chiefs pick. If that scenario arises then why not trade Larry Johnson to the Cowboys for both of there First round picks. We could then take Ryan Clady at 22 and Aqib Talib at 31. That would be a start to fixing both the offense and Defense.’If that scenario came up, why not keep LJ, the proven, top 3 (when healthy) back in the league, and trade our 4th (or 5th) pick for the Cowboys’ two first rounders? My guess is Talib will be gone by the time we can draft again, but maybe Zenon (LSU) or some other ’shut down’ or ‘very good coverage’ corner? Also.. on a side note, we already have what, 10 picks? But most of them 2nd day picks… We make a few draft day trades (Carl like quantity) and end up with 13-14-15 picks… How many of those guys are realistically going to make the team? Maybe half? 10 or so, tops? I think we need to take multiple late round picks and move up a bit and get some better quality players to fill the holes we have. Or possibly trade for picks next year.
Some pretty good mock drafts out there, but I have to disagree on McFadden. The Chiefs have no leverage to trade LJ, since he has a busted foot. If J.Long is gone, and McFadden falls to five, we should be able to trade back two – five spots get an extra draft pick, and still pick up Ryan Clady or Michael Oher, both are pro-type OT and both have played since their freshman season. I would then draft, if he isn’t gone by the second round Michael Oher from Ole Miss or Duke Robinson from OK, both of these guys will probably play guard in the NFL and would do alot to shore up our O-line. Third round is a toss up buth the fourth round I would go after Peyton Hills from Arkansas, all he did was be the fullback for McFadden the kid knows how to be a fullback and would be a huge compliment to LJ.. Good luck
Again, I’m standing by L.J. His foot isn’t busted, there was just no reason to rush him back. I sprained the hell out of my ankle last fourth of July, and I’m just finally getting to the point where I don’t really feel it. It happens. All of you anti-L.J. people are eventually going to eat your words. Just trying to help you all out.
And he’s not a locker room cancer. He shows a little bit of frustration and everyon thinks they know him.
are you guys forgetting that the chiefs did take a DEff. end two years ago who was suppossed to be a second rounder…to me this didnt sound like a safe bet(hali).
and as for miami taking dorsey with the first pick who says? what did they do last year…lol, the fish wont be as stupid this time but, maybe he goes after fadden… or o-line as well.
I also see new england drafting LB with there first pick
we must also remember last year King Carl was offered to switch draft picks by two different teams and didnt do it… Jax and cleveland both wanted to trade with us.
fadden wont make it past pick 7 now way possible there. so unless detroit, or houston trade with us I dont see a trade at five
Guys, LJ IS GOING NOWHERE! You can want to trade him all you want, but there is no way a team would take that kind of cap hit. SO PLEASE, PLEASE stop even mentioning that LJ would be traded.
Paradise, I will be doing a mock draft over here sometime soon. It might be this weekend or next. Trust me though, Adam and I differ on McFadden and where he will be picked.
Mock drafts are almost impossible because its impossible to have the foresight of who will trade down, but every year it seems the draft is changed according to plan by teams trading down. I’m about 75% sure the Chiefs will trade down, I think if they can take someone else’s second round pick, yet still keep in the top 14 or so, they will do it.I don’t think McFadden would do anything for the Chiefs or anyone besides QB’s, linemen & WR’s.I’m surprised the cowboys would want to move up for McFadden, considering Marion Barber is a tough pro bowl RB and Jones is pretty good too, probably the best backfield duo in the NFL.My .02
First off, props for an interesting scenario and . My guess would be if that Atlanta picks ahead of KC, they will opt for DMC over Ryan or trade down. I also agree that Dallas making a move for DMC is very likely to happen but I believe they will need to come up with more than their 2 first rounders. The board values are #5 = 1700, #22 = 780, and #30 = 620. That leaves 300 points unaccounted for. As such, I think Dallas would need to add their 3rd round pick to make it attractive enough. Any way you look at it, not bad at all for the Chiefs if they can make it happen. There seems to be a lot of depth and quality available at OT in this trade even into the 2nd round so I’m not too hung up on whether or not we can get Jake Long at #5. Frankly, I have yet to be convinced that any OT in the upcoming draft merits a #5 pick. As to free agency, I am bit discouraged about some the talk I hear coming from the Chiefs because there are a few fairly young players that the Chiefs would be foolish not to make a pitch which in turn would allow KC to draft more effectively. The guys I’m mainly talking about are Max Starks, Travelle Wharton, Lance Briggs, Albert Haynesworth, and Asante Samuel. Colts will likely have to give up one of their guards so that could work out for us too. Here are a couple of other trade scenarios to consider: KC trades 1st and 3rd round picks to Chicago for their 1st, 2nd, both 3rd round picks plus a future 3rd rounder. In addition to the #14 pick (Clady?), KC would end up with the following picks for ‘08 – a high 2nd round, mid 2nd round, high 3rd round and a mid 3rd round. If Chicago doesn’t bring in a QB through free agency, then they’ll most likely be looking to draft one. A similar trade could be made with the Bills. We trade our 1st, 3rd and a future 3rd for Bills 1st, 2nd, and both 3rd rounders. Bills will be looking to take either Laurinaitis or Ellis. If we can’t anybody to make the trade, then I say we take either Laurinaitis, the BPA CB or the BPA WR. With regards to CB and WR picks, the guys I want to see the Chiefs go after need to have top notch return skills, e.g., 1st round – DeSean Jackson, Antoine Cason, Early Doucet, Aqib Talib; 2nd round – Donnie Avery, Leodis McKelvin, Andre Caldwell, DeJuan Tribble; 3rd/4th round – Eddie Royal (gotta love his speed!), Terrence Wheatly, Chevis Jackson; 5th/6th round – Darius Reynaud, Rafael Little.
The Jets taking a QB. YOU SHOULD BE TESTED FOR DRUGS
Hey, not everyone is sold on Kellen Clemens. In fact, the people who are might be the ones on drugs.
Im not on drugs, but clemens was big for me in the fantasy leagues…hahahahahaHe isnt that bad.
ok I have a question…lol why in the world will Carolina not take a o-lineman… again as with the chiefs, they have off. players at the skill spots… but nobody can tell because they dont have an o-line